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True freedom isn't freedom to do whatever you want. True freedom is to do what you should. -Datkid20

But seriously your definition of freedom would end up with the human race being exterminated.

Starscream Wrote:Just forget about the fact that the government forced car insurance on everyone

I'm going to assume you remember all of the horrible problems that mandatory automobile CPI fixed and have simply chosen to ignore them.

Starscream Wrote:Absolutely. Just forget about the fact that the government forced car insurance on everyone and are now attempting to force health insurance on everyone. I'm sure they are going to stop forcing things on people very soon.

Regardless of what other laws you believe may be proposed in the future they have no effect on the current laws being passed. Thus Shonumi is right. This is a logical fallacy plain and simple. This is not a legitimate argument against the law. I've seen you use this fallacy before. If you think passing X will lead to Y being proposed then argue against Y when Y is proposed. Arguing against X on the grounds that Y is bad is just wrong.

Starscream Wrote:If you're "baffled" and unable to conceive a situation where someone would want the government to go away and stop doing something, you might not have been in enough situations to properly form your opinion. Do you think that the government is cool and perfect and reflects everything that you want it to be?

No but that's not a good reason for acting like someone must be ignorant because of their age. I notice you have been bringing it up a lot ever since you found out how old I am. And I've seen you do it to others before as well. Please cut it out.

Starscream Wrote:you're free to live your life the way that you see fit

But that's not true. There are lots of common sense restrictions placed on you by the local, state, and federal governments. The only places in the world where this isn't true are 3rd world shitholes where anyone can do whatever they want without fear of government intervention and warlords inevitable end up controlling everything since the people don't have a strong body to protect them that is controlled directly or indirectly by them (a republic or democratic government).

Starscream Wrote:So yes, I guess you could say that is my opinion and the opinion of the people I know. Whose viewpoint am I supposed to be going by here?

You can use your own viewpoint but you certainly can't call it "the American way" without any basis for that.

Starscream Wrote:Do you not think that you're free to live your life the way that you see fit?

No and for the most part that's a good thing. "Freedom in general" aside are there any other issues you have with the ACA?

Starscream Wrote:Some states have been trying to tell people that they're not allowed to drink a certain size soda because it is not good for you. Some places are telling people that they're not allowed to smoke a cigarette outside in some areas. These are the kinds of people who are out there who are trying to dictate how you live your life, because "they know what's best for you". Maybe you're fine with people telling you what you need to do, but I'm definitely not. We're slowly losing our freedom of choice. Weather you choose to believe it or not, it's happening. If you can't see that, you're running around with blinders on. This is why I bring up age, because most of you haven't been living in a time when these sort of things weren't going on. I guess this is normal life for a lot of you.

Most civilized nations have laws that prevent citizens from doing stupid things. There is no way to get rid of "the nanny state" without society devolving into a complete shithole unfortunately. As we have seen repeatedly throughout history. I am more concerned about whether implementing specific restrictions has a positive effect or not. If it does than there is little reason to complain besides "muh freedom!".

I'm going to duck out before it gets too heated.

(10-02-2013, 02:57 PM)werewolfyman Wrote: [ -> ]
I'm going to duck out before it gets too heated.

Same.

Starscream Wrote:Some states have been trying to tell people that they're not allowed to drink a certain size soda because it is not good for you.

I believe you're referring to New York City. Its implementation wasn't attempted on the state level. Even then, the FDA most likely has the power (for some time now) to regulate such things nationally and they've yet to abuse it. Why? Because they are careful to tread on the feet of industries (who fear such a move would affect sales) and ordinary people (who like you don't want to be told how many ounces they can drink).

Starscream Wrote:Some places are telling people that they're not allowed to smoke a cigarette outside in some areas.

Except smoking is a behavior that has second-hand effects on others. Inside or outside, smoke is still smoke. I have no problem with smoking bans, because we haven't outright banned smoking or tobacco products. There's always a place for smokers. To maintain my freedom to live in a smoke-free environment, it's not a big sacrifice to ask a smoker to temporarily move somewhere else so he or she can maintain their freedom to smoke.

Starscream Wrote:We're slowly losing our freedom of choice. Weather you choose to believe it or not, it's happening. If you can't see that, you're running around with blinders on. This is why I bring up age, because most of you haven't been living in a time when these sort of things weren't going on.

Tell that to my grandmother, who remembers and has shared with me her experiences living in a time before she even had civil rights. Tell that to women I know who've had abortions thanks to Roe v. Wade (not that I agree with abortion). Tell that to one of my gay cousins who plans to get married. From my experience and point of view, we've been gaining rights and have been enjoying more freedoms all because we have more choices. Prohibition ended long ago, military drafting is DOA, and more recently my state is now toying with the idea of medical pot and gay marriage. Frankly, I don't know what else to expect next, what new freedom is on its way (hopefully it's copyright reform)? I don't know how you've grown up, but being told what to do is the contract people establish as a condition for living in a certain society. The no-nos I've seen are becoming less and less.

I guess you remember what I've said above?

(10-02-2013, 02:44 PM)Starscream Wrote: [ -> ]These are the kinds of people who are out there who are trying to dictate how you live your life, because "they know what's best for you".

I'm going to chalk all of this up to a few of you being "those people" that I was describing above. Seriously, I've never seen so many excuses for allowing other people to tell you how to live your life. The only logical explanation is that some of you think exactly like the kinds of people who I'm trying to get away from. And with that, I'll leave you to it.

(10-02-2013, 03:09 PM)Starscream Wrote: [ -> ]I guess you remember what I've said above?

(10-02-2013, 02:44 PM)Starscream Wrote: [ -> ]These are the kinds of people who are out there who are trying to dictate how you live your life, because "they know what's best for you".

I'm going to chalk all of this up to a few of you being "those people" that I was describing above. Seriously, I've never seen so many excuses for allowing other people to tell you how to live your life. The only logical explanation is that some of you think exactly like the kinds of people who I'm trying to get away from. And with that, I'll leave you to it.

We are getting more and more "freedoms" every day. In a few years we'll see how far we take this "freedom" before this country becomes like a 3rd world country without a government. There probably will be a big group of people who will want to throw out the government in a few years. If they succeed well UK here i come!

And with that I will take my leave.

DatKid20 Wrote:If they succeed well UK here i come!

Good luck getting a visa or passport when the government is shut down Tongue

(10-02-2013, 03:18 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]
DatKid20 Wrote:If they succeed well UK here i come!

Good luck getting a visa or passport when the government is shut down

I have one. I might have to renew it next year or the year after though. Wait....Will anyone even be allowed to leave?

Spoiler:

Starscream Wrote:I'm going to chalk all of this up to a few of you being "those people" that I was describing above. Seriously, I've never seen so many excuses for allowing other people to tell you how to live your life. The only logical explanation is that some of you think exactly like the kinds of people who I'm trying to get away from. And with that, I'll leave you to it.

I'm not so stubborn as to believe I perfectly know exactly what's best for me in every given scenario or situation. There are plenty of times when it's more than justified to let others dictate my life. I'm grateful for all the things my parents forced me to do. I'm glad that, when I need it, there are counselors and therapists we will tell me what to do if things aren't clear. And when I'm at work, I'm sure as hell going to let the supervisors tell me what to do since I thoroughly enjoy getting paid.

You make it out as if I'm being told what to do, analyze not a bit of it, then mindlessly carry out what's been handed out. That's a careless assumption at best. There are plenty of aspects with which I greatly disagree with the government (and their lobbyists), namely copyright. I've studied the DMCA quite a bit, and agree with little. You'll find me jailbreaking phones, bypassing DRM, and ripping DVDs left and right because I refuse to believe the government has any clue about copyrights for the 21st century (and neither do the RIAA or MPAA). Vehicle and health insurance, smoking bans, and a plethora of other restrictions are things I've looked at and personally accepted, on the other hand.