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really? so that pc that your showing can top it? hmm more facts would be nice since i know nothing about the ps4 my nephew told me im just wondering

Oh no I was just asking if that desktop could play any Dolphin game, on a different subject. I'm sure overclocked to 4.2GHz it could out play the PS4. It is Quad core, and the graphics are very good. The truth is that PCs will always be better than the consoles, until the dreaded day comes when tablets take over *shudders*

well i like pc more than consoles anyway since i feel i have more freedom to do what i want with it unlike consoles but the way my nephew told me was kind of epic i kid you not i was convinced that the ps4 would be the best pc out there until pc start getting better but then again i have no knowledge of this

I'm not entirely sure that there are PCs out right now better than the PS4, but by the time it comes out PCs will have evolved, and some will be better, and PC games will have higher graphics options. Did you know it is projected in only a few years that there will be 40+ core CPUs?

im not too convinced if that would happen

(02-27-2013, 09:28 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Out of curiosity how far are you from the city? My daily commute is about 40 min each way and it's not bad at all. And according to the internet that's nearly twice the average for the state of Florida (25 minutes, which seems a little low to me).

I live just under 40 miles from Chicago, which translates into anywhere from 40 minutes (theoretically...) to an hour or more (60+ minutes on average), and that's when traffic's doing what it's supposed to. Heaven forbid it starts to snow, then everyone's short on luck. That's a bit too much by car for what I'm willing to spend on gas. Trains are a good option (my sis commutes everyday by train) but as much as Chicago is a viable job hub, I'm trying to find something closer to home. And really, who can stand to be in that city anyway? :p

When I was in Florida last year, I dunno if it's just your highways or your drivers, but it was a totally different experience from up north. Everything just, well, flowed. And we didn't get cut off once, either, whereas up here it happens to you at least a couple of times no matter where you go.

We mostly get cut-off on the regular roads in traffic. On the highway people seem to be pretty good about not causing a massive pileup at high speeds. Not that you can really say that people from certain areas in the world cause less accidents, but that's what I've seen from living here.

Shonumi Wrote:I live just under 40 miles from Chicago, which translates into anywhere from 40 minutes (theoretically...) to an hour or more (60+ minutes on average), and that's when traffic's doing what it's supposed to. Heaven forbid it starts to snow, then everyone's short on luck. That's a bit too much by car for what I'm willing to spend on gas.

Yeah that's a bit far. That would put me in a killing mood by the end of it. "Hate world, revenge soon" (kudos to anyone who gets the reference)

Shonumi Wrote:Trains are a good option (my sis commutes everyday by train) but as much as Chicago is a viable job hub, I'm trying to find something closer to home. And really, who can stand to be in that city anyway?

Oh god. Fuck city trains and subways. I once had the displeasure of trying to leave London via train at rush hour. Never again. And it was so god damn expensive on top of everything.

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Shonumi Wrote:And really, who can stand to be in that city anyway?

Eh. It can't be that different from Miami. Your faith in humanity wanes and then you get used to it.

Shonumi Wrote:When I was in Florida last year, I dunno if it's just your highways or your drivers, but it was a totally different experience from up north. Everything just, well, flowed. And we didn't get cut off once, either, whereas up here it happens to you at least a couple of times no matter where you go.

Starscream Wrote:We mostly get cut-off on the regular roads in traffic. On the highway people seem to be pretty good about not causing a massive pileup at high speeds. Not that you can really say that people from certain areas in the world cause less accidents, but that's what I've seen from living here.

Yeah I've noticed this too. I could never really figure out why though.

yodenny Wrote:So ive heard the ps4 is going to be the strongest pc when it comes out anybody know if this is true

No. Also it's debatable whether it could be classified as a PC.

IlovetheGamecube Wrote:Well it is using GDDR5 ram, but I'm sure there are computers that can top it's performance.

I continue to fail to see why people keep touting the "it has 8GB of GDDR5 ram!" figure as if it's so impressive. Your typical gaming PC has at least 4-8GB of DDR3 ram for main memory (low latency to keep cpu performance high) and 2GB of GDDR5 video ram (high bandwidth to keep gpu performance high). We could easily make PCs with GDDR5 main memory but it would reduce cpu performance for no benefit. Sony is trying to save money by having one memory pool shared by both the cpu and gpu. As such they were forced to choose between a low latency (good cpu performance) or high bandwidth (good gpu performance) bus. Since the GPU is more important to a system whose primary goal is to have fast rendering of realistic 3D graphics they obviously choose a high bandwidth bus.

IlovetheGamecube Wrote:Anyway, would this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/150992165396
Be able to play ANY game on Dolphin at full speed at say 3xIR?

Nothing can play every GC/Wii game that exists at fullspeed no matter the settings.

yodenny Wrote:really? so that pc that your showing can top it? hmm more facts would be nice since i know nothing about the ps4 my nephew told me im just wondering

What do you want to know?

It uses an APU which simply means that the cpu and gpu are integrated into a single die. In fact it's more of a full blown SoC (system on a chip).

The cpu portion is 8 jaguar core running at 1.6GHz. It has 2 x 2MB L2 caches. With each 2MB L2 cache being shared by 4 cores.

The gpu portion is a GCN2 (graphics core next, code named sea islands on the desktop platform, will be used in the upcoming HD 8000 series PC graphics cards from AMD) based integrated graphics processor. It has 18 compute units with 32 stream processors each for a total of 576 stream processors. The stream processors are 64 bit vector processors that can carry out two 32 bit FMA operations per clock cycle. The compute units are organized into two "shader engines" each with its own raster unit, 9 dedicated texture units (one for each CU), and 4 shared ROPs. This means a total of 2 raster units, 18 texture units, and 8 ROPs. The texture units can do 4 bilinear reads per cycle and the ROPS can do 4 color ops, 16 depth ops, and 16 stencil ops per cycle. It has a 512KB dedicated L2 cache. It's clocked at 800 MHz. That's 1.6 billion triangles per second, 51.2 billion texture ops per second, 25.6 billion color ops per second, 102.4 billion depth ops per second, 102.4 billion stencil ops per second, and 1.843 TFLOPs of shader throughput. We don't know how many tessellation units it will have.

It has 4GB of GDDR5. The memory bandwidth is listed as 176 GB/s. The bus is likely 256 bit running at 5500 MT/s (1.375 GHz control clock, 2.75 GHz write clock). It uses a unified memory system in which both the CPU and GPU share access to the same memory. At least 512MB of the memory will likely be reserved for the OS and background applications.

The disk drive is a dual layer blu-ray drive (disks are 50GB).

It will likely have an internal HDD. We don't know the details on that yet.

Its hardware is comparable to a current midrange gaming PC. A high end gaming PC bought this year will still kick its ass. The GPU is comparable to an HD 7850 but will likely be a bit faster due to having a better compiler and no API. So expect GPU performance that is closer to an HD 7870. By my estimates the CPU will have multithreaded performance that is about 50% of what todays top of the line i5/i7 quad core cpus can achieve. And that's under the best conditions possible, in practice is will likely be lower than that. The single threaded performance will be a small fraction of what a typical desktop cpu these days gets you. Also I didn't account for the higher memory latency as I don't know how much that will impact cpu performance. But with that accounted for it will be even lower. They basically sacrificed cpu performance to create a system with decent gpu performance and a low cost.

IlovetheGamecube Wrote:Did you know it is projected in only a few years that there will be 40+ core CPUs?

Define "a few" and which type of cpu you're referring to.

yodenny Wrote:im not too convinced if that would happen

The march towards many core is inevitable. The only legitimate question anyone has is how long it will take.

@NV - Well, guess I have no standing to call the trains in Chicago "a good option" since I've never actually ridden them before. I've heard the usual horror stories from my sis though (public urination, vomiting, tampons, etc) but it's cheaper than driving (for now, the CTA is fond of price hikes).

NaturalViolence Wrote:Eh. It can't be that different from Miami. Your faith in humanity wanes and then you get used to it.

Yeah, you're right, most large American cities probably have the same level of suck. But Chicago has the added disadvantages of 1) being in Illinois (seriously, google how many ways we're broken) 2) potholes everywhere and worst if all 3) the Cubs.

Before I forget, anyone hear about Nvidia's new Titan GPU? I know nothing about calculating how strong a GPU is; anyone care to estimate whether or not it could do 4x IR at 9xSSAA? Still too demanding? Just curious.