(08-02-2023, 02:40 AM)MayImilae Wrote: [ -> ]You are bang on, they get almost identical scores! However, the prices of GPUs have fallen considerably in the past few months, and $300 ($70 less than the original price of the 1070!) can get you a 4060 now. Assuming you don't exceed 1440p (4060 quirks), you'd see a nice uplift. Though not a doubling. For that, you need to go a smidge over $370 to $400, which can get you a 4060 Ti 8GB at today's prices.
What do you mean by quirks out of curiosity?
(08-02-2023, 04:49 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]I gotta say I really appreciate that this forum is still around. It's so nostalgic to have a community of familiar faces on a myBB forum. I know it will inevitably die out one day just like everything but it's cool to see this one little piece of my past still around. As I get older more and more of the things I have fond memories of disappear from the world forever.
This is why I love old hardware.
ExtremeDude2 Wrote:What do you mean by quirks out of curiosity?
Nvidia recognized that the 4060 and 4060 Ti weren't fast enough for 4k gaming, as none of the xx60 class has been, so this gen Nvidia decided to hyper-optimize the 4060 siblings for 1080p and 1440p gaming. One of their choices was to half the PCIe lanes to reduce the GPU's die size, which is weird for xx60 class, but ADA has so much cache it is not bandwidth starved at the intended resolutions and it works perfectly fine. However, some outlets made the poor decision *cough LTT cough* to only test at 4k this gen. At 4k, they starve and aren't faster than their 30 series counterparts. That caused a little controversy, because
numbers not go up in specific scenario, but it's not big deal really - 4k was never going to have playable framerates on them anyway, just as they didn't on the 3060 and 3060 Ti. The controversy was just an unfortunate collisions between lazy reviewers and some hyper optimizations.
Basically, don't play current games at 4k on a 4060 and you're good. If you want to game at 4k, you shouldn't be looking at xx60 class anyway.
(08-02-2023, 02:38 PM)MayImilae Wrote: [ -> ]Nvidia recognized that the 4060 and 4060 Ti weren't fast enough for 4k gaming, as none of the xx60 class has been, so this gen Nvidia decided to hyper-optimize the 4060 siblings for 1080p and 1440p gaming. One of their choices was to half the PCIe lanes to reduce the GPU's die size, which is weird for xx60 class, but ADA has so much cache it is not bandwidth starved at the intended resolutions and it works perfectly fine. However, some outlets made the poor decision *cough LTT cough* to only test at 4k this gen. At 4k, they starve and aren't faster than their 30 series counterparts. That caused a little controversy, because numbers not go up in specific scenario, but it's not big deal really - 4k was never going to have playable framerates on them anyway, just as they didn't on the 3060 and 3060 Ti. The controversy was just an unfortunate collisions between lazy reviewers and some hyper optimizations.
FUCKING THANK YOU. The amount of nonsense that comes out of reddit, youtube, and the tech review sites these days is shameful. And anyone who actually knows how these products work and can evaluate them in a fair nuanced ways gets instantly shut down by the mob if they don't follow the nvidia/intel = bad, AMD = good brand war guidelines that the internet has apparently set for them. This is why I don't post anywhere but here anymore.
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Everyone just assumes that everything they don't like about a product must be that way because of greed, when usually there's a valid engineering reason that they don't understand. I see this mentality literally everywhere with every community and every type of product imaginable. But it's particularly pervasive in high end electronics/tech.
NaturalViolence Wrote:I gotta say I really appreciate that this forum is still around. It's so nostalgic to have a community of familiar faces on a myBB forum. I know it will inevitably die out one day just like everything but it's cool to see this one little piece of my past still around. As I get older more and more of the things I have fond memories of disappear from the world forever.
I miss the old days here (well, not the moderation side). Learned so much from you, neobrain, and a bunch of other regulars. Wouldn't be making emulators and reverse-engineering old hardware if it wasn't for this community.
I actually struggled between choosing a 3060 12GB and 4060 (non Ti) more than I thought I would. The 4060 has a nice lead on the 3060 in pure rasterization, and it does a decent job at 1440p from what I've seen. I don't think I'll be targeting 4K for a while, so that's not a consideration. Recently changed my Stable Diffusion configuration to be much more efficient and managed to get a lot out of 6GB of VRAM, anywhere from 1024x1024 to 1200x1200 when upscaling latents, when previously I couldn't squeeze out 400x400 images without running out of memory. So that got me thinking 8GB would be more than enough for something that's just a hobby (making phone backgrounds mostly). I don't game on High settings anyway, and tend to turn down things for better FPS anyway. On PC, all I care about are Halo Infinite and the new Cyberpunk 2077 DLC as opposed to other AAA stuff coming out.
Ultimately went for the 3060. Despite being slower, it checks all the boxes for me. 12GB is a nice cushion for all sorts of ML stuff. Looking into getting into that kinda of programming myself for fun, and VRAM is essential here. CUDA and Tensors are big in ML too for performance, so unfortunately I just can't consider AMD or Intel atm. Truth be told, ML is the real reason for this upgrade, otherwise I'd be happy with my current setup until I get a completely new system in 4 more years. I also don't know how the 4060 handles Yuzu, given the devs mentioned the cache and the bus could get saturated and affect performance. I haven't seen any benchmarks come out on the matter, but I really don't feel like paying $300 to find out myself.
It's a shame. I really liked the numbers the 4060 pulls, and it should have a lower power usage than my current 1660 (although I have an 800W PSU that's not even close to being fully utilized...) But I just couldn't pull the trigger on 8GB of VRAM. It would have been more than enough for gaming, but I'm not just gaming now these days. Even just a little more memory and a little wider bus (10GB, 160-bit bus maybe?) and I would have jumped. Of course, I realize the design choices behind the 4060 were made years ago, especially prior to ML going mainstream, so that model's just not for me. I'm not particularly mad about it though, as 3060s dropped quite a bit in price recently! It'll be interesting to see where Nvidia goes from here though.
That's my current dilemma of PC upgrades. I partially upgraded my i5-6600k/8GB/1060 6 GB system to an i7-7700K/16GB/ 1080 Ti 11GB while keeping my motherboard/case/PSU/storage intact. It happily chugs along playing the games I like at 4K medium or 1440p. Anything I want to play with ray-tracing I do on my PS5.
Maybe in another year or two if I can't reach good frame-rates I'll upgrade to a 4080 or equivalent for the VRAM, but I'll have to upgrade my whole system.
Edit: my computer knew I was talking about upgrading so it threw a tantrum. Black screen, no inputs, had to be force turned off. Then it wouldn't power back up. Unplugged everything except for a single stick of RAM, and still wouldn't power up. Had to pull the CMOS battery to get it to recover
Just finished transferring my PC to a new case and AIO
me watching the LTT drama :
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Its no secret ive despised LMG for years, and ever since they moved out of the house their content has felt... out of touch.
on top of that, just like steve, i have noticed things being off multiple times. meanwhile linus & team being :
![[Image: 82394360.jpg]](https://img.memegenerator.net/instances/600x600/82394360.jpg)
*siiiigggghhh* I'm going to talk about this more later, but for now... In case you haven't read this -
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/16916...28741.html
The errors and ethical problems Gamer's Nexus pointed out were but the tip of the iceberg. Now that this is out we're hearing more and more of just how much nasty is underneath it all. The testing accuracy, failure to make corrections, ethical issues,
kind of stealing prototypes and other problems Gamer's Nexus pointed out were but symptoms of the horrible work conditions and terrible work culture within LMG. LMG has serious SERIOUS problems at its very core, and nothing I've seen in their responses actually addresses those core problems. I find it highly unlikely that they will be capable of correcting such deep rooted issues with the company.
LMG lost a lot of their positive brand recognition. It would be good if they can actually implement change, their actions will speak louder than any statements or video apology.
The new CEO made a
statement to PCGamer that they were going to have an outside investigator look into the allegations, and then they’re going to publish the findings. Hopefully it will stop or prevent anyone else from experiencing what Madison had to go through, and that it won’t be too little/too late. The sad reality of it all is that this isn’t an isolated incident happening in one medium-sized business, this is happening in what feels like everywhere.
(08-17-2023, 02:57 AM)MayImilae Wrote: [ -> ]*siiiigggghhh* I'm going to talk about this more later, but for now... In case you haven't read this - https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/16916...28741.html
The errors and ethical problems Gamer's Nexus pointed out were but the tip of the iceberg. Now that this is out we're hearing more and more of just how much nasty is underneath it all. The testing accuracy, failure to make corrections, ethical issues, kind of stealing prototypes and other problems Gamer's Nexus pointed out were but symptoms of the horrible work conditions and terrible work culture within LMG. LMG has serious SERIOUS problems at its very core, and nothing I've seen in their responses actually addresses those core problems. I find it highly unlikely that they will be capable of correcting such deep rooted issues with the company.
i agree. and like i said, ive felt that the content was out of touch for years. it was a very clear sign something was terribly wrong..
ive read the post from madison, and ive seen alot of faces come and go in their offices so im not surprised at all of this at all.
the best response they had was the post to shut down production for a week. *however* it in itself was a major dafuq video and said *nothing*. hell, if anything it made me madder because of the 'lttstore' and 'sponsor' 'jokes', which were stupid because they did what they normally would do : draw attention to the store, and to dbrand.
so hey, NOTHING changed in that video, at all.