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(08-12-2018, 02:11 AM)KHg8m3r Wrote: [ -> ]Have you not seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Jd-Y-hUf4

If only Nintendo would work on it.

Sadly, projects such as these will likely be taken down... I guess as long it experimental it is fine for them. Of course, I have my doubts (even with Nintendo's permission) if these kind of fan projects ever got that far that they would be as outstanding in their quality as the original games by Nintendo themselves.

Being just in UHD and 60 FPS is not enough, quality comes in multiple forms.
You know, SEGA never had any issues with fan games. They turned a blind eye for the longest time, and eventually they embraced it and some of the developers, eventually leading up to Sonic Mania. I remember being part of SAGE (Sonic Amateur Games Expo) years and years ago (10 years ago?), and SAGE 2018 happens at the end of this month. There's a bunch of quality stuff fans put out there. Now, contrast this with Nintendo fan games, and I don't think the NCFC (Nintendo Community Fangame Convention) ever got as popular as SAGE. Dunno if this had anything to do with Nintendo's general attitude towards fangames, but it certainly felt like it.

At the very least, Nintendo ought to view such projects as a scouting opportunity for talent. Take them under their corporate wings, nurture their passion, and release something that makes fans and shareholders happy. Turning these enthusiastic fans into real members of the team means Nintendo can maintain their own vision and quality control while using someone who's dedicated to making the end product. I mean, if you want to stop an infringing fan project, just hire the folks behind it Wink

It's certainly not possible all the time, or even most of the time. But it could at least happen once in a blue moon.
(08-12-2018, 12:47 PM)Shonumi Wrote: [ -> ]You know, SEGA never had any issues with fan games [...]

I still didn't forget that Cease and Desist letter they sent for Bomber Games when they released Streets of Rage Remake v5.0 Dodgy
SEGA is absolutely the exception and not the rule here. Also, I would understand not wanting to play that game anyway; I tend to shy away from things that aren't built with the game's original engine anyway, no matter how good they may look.
(08-12-2018, 07:34 PM)mbc07 Wrote: [ -> ]I still didn't forget that Cease and Desist letter they sent for Bomber Games when they released Streets of Rage Remake v5.0 Dodgy

Well, I guess I should have said Sega never had any issues with any Sonic fangames. I don't remember seeing a single DMCA back when Sonic Fangame HQ was still around, and you had people doing complete 2D and 3D HD remakes. I'll chalk up that Streets of Rage Remake takedown request to a rare moment of short-sightedness. That was 2011, but today it's a different story (hopefully).

One thing I will never forget (or forgive) was that Chrono Trigger 3D remake that Square came down on hard. All these years later, we still don't have anything like that officially from them. The FF7 remake ain't even done yet either...
Chrono Trigger was legendary. I dunno if a fan-made 3D realization of Chrono Trigger could even come close near the legend itself. Perhaps it was for the best that Square shut the project down to save us the massive disappointment. I don't even know if Square themselves should attempt it. The recent remake of Secret of Mana was a prime example of a disaster. Perhaps Chrono Trigger is best left in peace. Sigh... Even porting the game to Steam was anything but simple.

Chrono Trigger was my favorite JRPG of all time... Until I discovered Trails in the Sky SC a while ago... I just realized, I don't need a sequel or remake anymore for Chrono Trigger. I just don't have that much faith in Square, given their recent projects (*glares hatefully towards Final Fantasy XIII and XV*). I think I just enjoy playing through the Steam version again eventually. It kinda fixed as of now... Still has some issues... Some text issues in the interface... Which annoys me quite a bit and completely removes the immersion. Chrono Trigger even has those High Quality textures, except that it is a hideous filter. At least the original textures are included, even if it mean the original font is a bit hard too hard... But I rather have that instead. It seems to be a common issue with most of their PC ports. NieR:Automata is a real disaster on PC.

Square Enix is no longer the developer I used to love. That's a fact. But I still continue to love Chrono Trigger and even today it remains one of the greatest games.

Now what I would be really excited for would an English localization of Trails of Cold Steel III. Supposedly there are fan-made English localisations of Trails to Zero and Trails to Azure (if those would be the official English titles indeed), but I rather wait for them to be officially localized and ported by XSeed which have done outstanding work on the series and then buy them. If XSeed is given the opportunity... And not NISA like with Ys VIII (which is still an awesome game despite the horrendous issues, but most of them are fixed now).

Now that I am talking about developers I love and hate, I am still amazed that Nintendo even after all these years still is able to amaze me. Sure, there are some weak games, yet for every Sticker Star failure (it still wasn't that horrible... It just wasn't a real Paper Mario game) they also manage to come with an equally amazing game. Nintendo might still be outdated in some ways, but hey, that's exactly what makes their games so great.

Now what Nintendo really needs to do in addition to a Ocarina of Time remake is a Super Mario 64 remake.
Admentus Wrote:Chrono Trigger was legendary. I dunno if a fan-made 3D realization of Chrono Trigger could even come close near the legend itself. Perhaps it was for the best that Square shut the project down to save us the massive disappointment.

I mean, I get that people are fond of Chrono Trigger, and they might not want to be disappointed by the vision some fans have of it, but that's no reason to say that vision should go unfulfilled. Let the people make stuff on the side, and if it's not your cup of tea, ignore it altogether. As a fan, it's no harm to me or you if we let such projects alone, however, I'd at least like to have seen a completed version to judge for myself. If it's bad, then okay... But if not, I want to play it. Unfortunately, it's far too late, and that particular DMCA takedown happened before torrents, MEGA, DropBox, etc, so we don't even have a playable demo, just a video. At any rate, Square managed to screw up the Steam port on their own, so I'm not worried about other fans disappointing me with their fan-projects; clueless companies are a bigger problem in gaming.

Personally though, I have no sacred cows in my barn. I have a lot of nostalgia for many games (Chrono Trigger included) but I don't see anything as ever being "untouchable" in that it can't be improved or eventually remade. I believe it's difficult to do without the proper mindset and approach from a developer, but not impossible. People really have to understand what made the game work (and sometimes fans understand this waaay more than the actual developers that get hired). Case in point is Sonic the Hedgehog, where Sonic Mania has a lot of roots in the Sonic fangaming community and managed to beat the pants off the last decade of what Sega themselves produced.

Admentus Wrote:Sticker Star failure (it still wasn't that horrible... It just wasn't a real Paper Mario game)

FTFY. That piece of trash still earns my hate after all these years. An absolute betrayal to the Paper Mario sub-franchise.They kind of made it up to me with Paper Jam, but I'm going to be raw about that one for decades...

Admentus Wrote:Now what Nintendo really needs to do in addition to a Ocarina of Time remake is a Super Mario 64 remake.

On the note of remakes, reboots, and re-releases, I wonder if Nintendo is keen on making more anthologies. They did that with a few Mario games and the Kirby games. Imagine all 7 previous Mario Kart games on the Switch, available as a single cart. They'd probably be too lazy to port any of the GBA or NDS multiplayer modes though. A Metroid (non-Prime) anthology would sell well too, and that's more doable, basically a bundle of Virtual Consoles. A Fire Emblem anthology could be a big hit too.
(08-13-2018, 05:11 AM)Shonumi Wrote: [ -> ]Personally though, I have no sacred cows in my barn. I have a lot of nostalgia for many games (Chrono Trigger included) but I don't see anything as ever being "untouchable" in that it can't be improved or eventually remade. I believe it's difficult to do without the proper mindset and approach from a developer, but not impossible. People really have to understand what made the game work (and sometimes fans understand this waaay more than the actual developers that get hired). Case in point is Sonic the Hedgehog, where Sonic Mania has a lot of roots in the Sonic fangaming community and managed to beat the pants off the last decade of what Sega themselves produced.

I certainly agree there. Every game can be improved upon with the right mindset. But I don't think it is possible for Chrono Trigger purely because of Square Enix. They don't have the will anymore to do so. As for fan-projects, I never had much faith in them. A game requires some true dedication, experience, mind-set and perhaps not to be underestimated the funding and resources. I tend to believe if a lot is invested in a product it is better to continue all the way to the end to avoid losing on the said investments, resulting into a better product. If Chrono Trigger was for example in the hands of Nintendo I would have had more hope for an improvement, but alas it is managed by Square. Sonic Mania sure proved that even the Sonic series which have fallen in a downward spiral could be revived. I think I am just being realistic here for having no hope for Chrono Trigger.


(08-13-2018, 05:11 AM)Shonumi Wrote: [ -> ]FTFY. That piece of trash still earns my hate after all these years. An absolute betrayal to the Paper Mario sub-franchise.They kind of made it up to me with Paper Jam, but I'm going to be raw about that one for decades...

Luckily Color Splash was a bit better. Not that much through. Paper Jam was quite fun as expected of the Mario & Luigi series and I was more than glad that Nintendo dialed down on relying on the gyroscope and touchscreen. Sadly the Paper Mario games have fallen down in a pit after the first two games which were exceptional outstanding. Hehe, I get your hatred for Sticker Star through. But at least Super Paper Mario was manageable. It is no true Paper Mario for sure but it was fun in it's own fun. If just Super Paper Mario didn't have this bizare dimension-void-like-world-theme... I kinda missed the Mushroom Kingdom or any kingdom relatable to that, even the Bean Bean Kingdom was great.
Technically we already got a Super Mario 64 remake. Sadly, they jumped the gun and made it on the DS, a system with no analogue control support. I would like just as much as anyone else to have a 3DS or Switch remake of 64, but it doesn't seem likely.
(08-13-2018, 06:28 AM)Kurausukun Wrote: [ -> ]Technically we already got a Super Mario 64 remake. Sadly, they jumped the gun and made it on the DS, a system with no analogue control support. I would like just as much as anyone else to have a 3DS or Switch remake of 64, but it doesn't seem likely.

More like a Super Mario 64 demake. The only upside is the additional content. Now if Nintendo would just apply this to the Switch in HD... Even a 3DS version would be an improvement. I have always wondered why Nintendo didn't wait until the 3DS for the remake. And what's up with Nintendo wanting to remake N64 classics on handheld systems... Just keep console classics on consoles.
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