PLOT TWIST: NaturalViolence's opinion was more akin to stating the earth was flat after years of everyone accepting it was round - use of a dedicated DSP is not new behaviour, it has been part of every Nintendo console dating back to the SNES.
Wii U emulation
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Can both of you please shut up if you nothing to contribute? It's really annoying that there is a third page of spam.
Anyway does anyone know if the PowerPc disassembler can be used for the Wii U?
Actually, it's no spam. They have been talking about DSP and having some disagreement about "source". Also, no need to use rude language. You can notify a moderator or an administrator if you think some posts should be moderated and they will do their job.
(10-17-2013, 08:52 AM)xemnas Wrote: Actually, it's no spam. They have been talking about DSP and having some disagreement about "source". Also, no need to use rude language. You can notify a moderator or an administrator if you think some posts should be moderated and they will do their job.It has been spam. Also what are you talking about? Delroth says fucking and its fine, but I say shut up and its rude? Really? Also in addition to my question before I would like to ask if some Dolphin code could be used for a Wii U emulator. 10-17-2013, 10:06 AM
tueidj Wrote:NaturalViolence's opinion was more akin to stating the earth was flat after years of everyone accepting it was round - use of a dedicated DSP is not new behaviour, it has been part of every Nintendo console dating back to the SNES. That's not fair at all. You're one of literally a hand full of people on the entire planet that knows the DSP specs. You make it sound like they're widely available and well known facts. I couldn't find them anywhere on google which means they probably aren't publicly disclosed at all at this point. I never disputed that it had a dedicated DSP, I just questioned why they would use it for WiiU games which is a logical question to ask considering that no other modern consoles do this and it would seem grossly inefficient given how fast and flexible the cpu and main memory are in this system. You claimed to have some knowledge of the DSP that I didn't so I did what anybody would do. I googled it and after finding no documentation asked you for your source. Then everybody acted like I had just committed treason. I even acknowledged on purpose that my assumption could be wrong and in the most polite way I could think of: NaturalViolence Wrote:It's not that I don't believe you it's just that I don't like to take peoples words on things if I don't know them unless I'm absolutely sure they're right. This wording was done deliberately so that you wouldn't think that I was claiming my assumption as fact. This whole thing is just a massive overreaction. delroth Wrote:apologize and stop giving people more reason to think you're an idiot. I was never rude or offensive. What exactly would I apologize for? For asking for a source? For not knowing his identity? For not thinking to look up his identity when we get hundreds of people claiming all kinds of things every year who are nobodies (this one time that happened to not be the case)? For being wrong (which I admitted as soon as his identity was revealed)? Don't be ridiculous. Nothing I said should have been considered offensive by anybody. I'm not going to make an insincere apology just to make other people think more of me. That would be wrong on so many levels. delroth Wrote:That's only you think your uninformed, baseless opinion is worth more than the opinion of someone else. If you don't know who the other person is and he doesn't have a source then it's essentially your logic/word against theirs. So yes, it's completely reasonable to favor your theory until evidence exists which does not support it. delroth Wrote:You should actually know tueidj since he's already shown how ridiculous you are in the past, on the thread talking about use of MMX for emulation. But it's also easy to find on google that he's the author of Devolution and that he has ported several open source games to the Wii. Even if you limit your search to his posts on the Dolphin forums, https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-ad...#pid271547 shows him explaining some details of how the GC Keyboard behaves, which should give you a hint. Sorry I didn't recognize the name. There are a lot of inactive people on these forums, I can't remember all of them. As others have mentioned he's not active here, has no stars or any kind of elevated status, and gave no indication of who he might be. He also didn't mention his WiiU experience in that thread either. But apparently I'm an idiot for not knowing who he is or thinking he might be a wiiU hacker. You can either accept my explanation or not. If you choose to believe that my response was somehow irrational you certainly have that right. I would like it if you stopped throwing personal insults at me every time something like this happens though. tueidj Wrote:Disregarding whether or not it would be legal for me to post parts of Nintendo's code, how would it be any more reliable than what I had already said since you have no way to verify its authenticity? I was operating under the assumption that you got this information from somewhere else, not your own personal projects. It would offer something to look at (I was curious) and while it could be faked it would require a lot of time/effort to do so. Adding a lot of credibility to your statement. tueidj Wrote:The reason I think less of you is because you made an assumption (WiiU doesn't use the DSP) based on no facts at all and demanded evidence be shown to prove you wrong, even though there was never any evidence that you were right; So I can't ask if you have a source if I don't have one? Why not? tueidj Wrote:in fact the very existence of the WiiU's DSP is a hint to the contrary. Without the specs that could very well be for backwards compatibility reasons. It would be practically required to include it to support Wii backwards compatibility. If you don't know the specs. this is a reasonable theory to hold. tuedidj Wrote:If you doubt what somebody is saying simply because you're not familiar with them, the obvious solution to me would be to remove that unfamiliarity - google them, maybe ask other people if they know them - rather than expect them to list their previous works and experience ("Hi I'm Troy McClure, you might remember me from such wii hacks as letterbomb and the most realistic game ever: Desert Bus") just because they want to post a correction to something you said. Most people on the internet don't use the same name on every forum and most people are nobodies. I had no reason to believe you were part of the wiiu hacking scene as you never implied as such. I don't do background research on every person that crosses my path as 99% of the time it would be pointless. I don't expect you to list your life story but it would probably be a good idea to tell people you have experience with the subject matter if you want them to take your word on something. Sorry to everyone else but I can't respond to more than these 2 without making this post way to time consuming. I debated even continuing this nonsense but I needed to at least be able to tell my side before this is closed.
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(10-17-2013, 10:06 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: That's not fair at all. You're one of literally a hand full of people on the entire planet that knows the DSP specs. You make it sound like they're widely available and well known facts. I couldn't find them anywhere on google which means they probably aren't publicly disclosed at all at this point. I never disputed that it had a dedicated DSP, I just questioned why they would use it for WiiU games which is a logical question to ask considering that no other modern consoles do this and it would seem grossly inefficient given how fast and flexible the cpu and main memory are in this system. You claimed to have some knowledge of the DSP that I didn't so I did what anybody would do. I googled it and after finding no documentation asked you for your source.You didn't question, you stated as a fact that it wasn't used. You made an assumption based on incomplete knowledge of the system and now you're using that ignorance to defend the assumption. NaturalViolence Wrote:I was operating under the assumption that you got this information from somewhere else, not your own personal projects. It would offer something to look at (I was curious) and while it could be faked it would require a lot of time/effort to do so. Adding a lot of credibility to your statement.It wouldn't take any time at all. For example: Code: 0020 8100 CLR $ACC0 Quote:So I can't ask if you have a source if I don't have one? Why not?Do you really not see the problem with making stuff up and then demanding people supply proof when they call bullshit? "Hey I heard they've got WMDs hidden in Iraq..." Quote:Without the specs that could very well be for backwards compatibility reasons. It would be practically required to include it to support Wii backwards compatibility. If you don't know the specs. this is a reasonable theory to hold.Without the specs it would be illogical to assume a piece of included hardware was unused. Quote:I don't expect you to list your life story but it would probably be a good idea to tell people you have experience with the subject matter if you want them to take your word on something.You know damn well if somebody waltzed in and said "I'm a 1337 h4ck3r who did this, this and this and you're wrong" they would be laughed off the forum within seconds. I am not asking for an apology but I think you should at least show respect by not continuing to argue. 10-17-2013, 02:58 PM
Quote: OMG, tueidj is a fraud!!11!! In other news, https://www.dropbox.com/s/mxkzsvfi6lzmib....09.41.mp4
@everyone - I don't really care if you thought tueidj credible right away or not. I don't really care you think NaturalViolence et al. were warranted in asking for a source. I don't really care that an off-topic topic in an off-topic forum is being derailed by off-topic arguments. But keep ad hominems to a minimum (i.e. zero). Hashing out your differences is fine and all, only when done respectfully.
@DatKid20 - I don't think the PPC assembly language differs with the Espresso CPU. IIRC, for the interpreter at least, Dolphin uses the same code to emulate both the Wii and GC's CPUs, so the PPC assembly language itself wouldn't have changed between those two consoles. The Wii U may likely be the same. However, I'm not an expert, this is just inference at best. There are likely differences that Nintendo recommended as "best practices" for coding games on the GC vs. the Wii vs. the Wii U, so the actual PPC code in the wild might vary in certain respects depending on the platform. I would reckon that anyone wanting to make a Wii U emulator probably could repurpose a lot of Dolphin's code, at least I can imagine that could be the case. Having never written a Wii U emulator myself, I can't tell you exactly At the minimum, there are misc. utilities and bits of code that serve general purposes, and they could conceivably be adapted for just about any program. @delroth - What are we looking at? It's not immediately obvious to me :p You've gotten my curiosity though. Is that something you've been working on recently? |
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