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07-07-2023, 04:38 AM
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(07-05-2023, 06:34 PM)MayImilae Wrote: So on paper, the Threadripper Pro 5975WX's single threaded performance should have compared well with the Ryzen 5950X, thanks to a boost mode where it can go up to 4.7ghz in lightly threaded applications. 4.7ghz on Zen 3 sounds pretty good, that's almost as good as a the 5950X's 4.8ghz! In fact, some early benchmarks showed single-thread performance exceeding the 5950X by a little bit! However, I never actually saw 4.7ghz. It will only boost that high if under 8 cores are being used. Not under load, -being used-. Idle processes count! And of course, Windows sees idle cores and is like, it's free real estate, and spreads background tasks across them. So in practice, 4.7ghz was unobtainable. The chip just wouldn't let it. Yay. It turns out that in order to get the 5950X-like single-thread numbers, you have to disable the majority of your cores so the OS can't use them. In which case, why did you buy a Threadripper? That's dumb, and I'm perturbed that some reviewers did that without explaining how it works. Also I'm pissed that AMD made the hardware that way, like, what were they thinking?! AMD heavily advertised those boost numbers and yet they were only accessible if you disabled 3/4ths of the chip! Is it possible that it is windows scheduler in particular is what's causing this? Maybe those benchmarks were done under linux. I've seen close to max on windows, although those were all <=8 core machines.
Linux is better, but it has the same issue. On Windows, the low-core boost clock (4.7ghz) literally never appears. On Linux, it will pop in sporadically, but it never stays for longer than a second. It is literally unobtainable in Windows, but it is practically unobtainable in Linux.
Intel Xeon w7-3465X OC | Asus Pro WS W790-E Sage SE | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE | 8x16GiB G-Skill Zeta R5 DDR5-6000 | Windows 11 23H2 | (details)
MacBook Pro 14in | M1 Max (32 GPU Cores) | 64GB LPDDR5 6400 | macOS 13
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Yikes, that sounds like quite the ordeal to try and troubleshoot! What was the BIOS features that was causing you all the troubles?
S3 Sleep was one of them, since that's explicitly mentioned in the rev 2 manual and I was using it. But there are a LOT of other changes between the two versions shown by comparing the manuals, any number of which may have been causing stability problems. No matter what it was, it meant months of disabling BIOS options and testing to try to chase down the hardware instability, and it would have been even worse than advertised on the other side. *sigh*
Friggin garbage, Asrock. Intel Xeon w7-3465X OC | Asus Pro WS W790-E Sage SE | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE | 8x16GiB G-Skill Zeta R5 DDR5-6000 | Windows 11 23H2 | (details)
MacBook Pro 14in | M1 Max (32 GPU Cores) | 64GB LPDDR5 6400 | macOS 13
07-15-2023, 08:44 PM
to be honest, these days i don't even know what brand to get...
asrock is shit, gigabyte is crap, evga is leaving, asus we won't even mention, ...
*sigh* Yea. Motherboard purchases are pretty rough currently. We've had some success with MSI in the not-distant past, though they have made some really weird choices of late. EVGA would be one I'd like to fall back to but they're leaving. I just had a terrible experience with Asrock, Gigabyte is Gigabyte, on and on. Getting a board that is reasonably equipped and actually does everything it says it will do is pretty rough today.
So I'll admit that after Asrock let me down, I went back to ASUS. The new computer I'm building has an ASUS motherboard. ...though to be honest it was kind of the only option for that platform. More on that later. Also the build is currently delayed as I'm waiting for the CPU block to come in. Watercooling, am I right? ┐(´-`)┌ Intel Xeon w7-3465X OC | Asus Pro WS W790-E Sage SE | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE | 8x16GiB G-Skill Zeta R5 DDR5-6000 | Windows 11 23H2 | (details)
MacBook Pro 14in | M1 Max (32 GPU Cores) | 64GB LPDDR5 6400 | macOS 13
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