Just say no. I gave up using Discord entirely when the Terms changed recently. I don't want to have to read such long vague legal documents. Sad though. Anyway, the content on forums tends to be more serious and less likely to descend into silly exchanges.
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05-26-2023, 02:18 AM
05-28-2023, 04:21 AM
Dolphin got DMCA'd on Steam by Nintendo. Oh dear...
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05-28-2023, 05:23 AM
Why bother trying if this was inevitable? I think there's at least a little bit of surprise.
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What's surprising to me is that they basically went after the anti-DRM bits of the DMCA. I haven't had time to look into it (just read about it an hour ago), but on the surface that seems like a stretch. Although, with a DMCA takedown request, you can claim whatever you want about the content you're targeting.
EDIT: Apparently it wasn't a DMCA takedown request, Valve just straight up asked Nintendo directly and were told Dolphin violates the DMCA. Dolphin distributes a common key used for decrypting Wii discs, which Nintendo says circumvents DRM. I still think it's bogus on the grounds of the exception allowing interoperability, but that's something that would have to be proven legally, probably, to get Nintendo to back down. On that note, a reminder that every few years, exceptions to the DMCA are reviewed and studied. This is one of those years, and the public is free to comment about the subject. It's not an empty gesture either, as the office responsible for adding (or taking away) exceptions has made changes based on input from individuals and organizations.
All of the core Dolphin devs are holding our tongues so we can make a proper official statement after we get some professional advice. But I'm going to leave this here: https://mastodon.delroth.net/@delroth/11...1402516214
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05-28-2023, 11:42 PM
Sony thought the keys on their own inherently being a DRM circumvention device was sketchy enough that they encouraged the people who cracked the PS3 to settle, and Wikipedia have some of them on their Illegal numbers article, so must be pretty confident they're in the clear. Dolphin's got all the other stuff that actually uses the keys, though, and the combination's more likely to count as a DRM circumvention device. It's all in whether the interoperability right trumps the DRM circumvention restriction.
As for why this was the thing Nintendo complained about, we've all joked over the years that Nintendo's usual reasons for claiming emulators are illegal are legally bogus, so it's a step in the right direction that they've latched onto something that's ambiguous until case law is made (even though they'd clearly have DMCAed Dolphin's GitHub if they were confident they'd win a lawsuit). I did think the original article implied a mistake on the Dolphin team's part that I'd consider uncharacteristically clumsy, so Delroth's Mastodon post cleared a lot up that I'd been wondering about before I stumbled on it.
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Almost ten years ago, someone posted in this thread that there was no Dolphin-Emulator-specific subreddit, so I created https://old.reddit.com/r/DolphinEmulator/ with the intention of handing it over to the Dolphin team if they ever wanted it. They didn't, so for the past decade, me and one other person have moderated it. It's mostly tech support and the occasional link to a Dolphin blog post, but it's accumulated 80,000 subscribers. With the current Reddit kerfuffle, we've set it private, but it's looking increasingly likely that Reddit are going to start kicking out moderators and finding replacements instead of just making their app less terrible or going for a reasonable revenue-sharing scheme for third-party apps. If it comes to that, I'd rather it went to someone with some kind of association with the project - if not a team member, then someone who's been known on the forum for a long time.
It's a fairly low-maintenance subreddit and has never needed rules besides an anti-piracy one. I had to remove a single mean comment about Rachel Bryk years and years ago that was so bad I thought the site-wide rules covered it, and then like anywhere on the internet, there's spam, but that still leaves it in the bizzarely civil zone. Anyway, I hope this doesn't end up being relevant, but thought it was better to mention it rather than find that it had been transferred to some rando, and there was someone more appropriate who could have taken control if things change.
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You should post this in its own thread rather than here in Random, imo.
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