(05-03-2013, 05:30 PM)Shonumi Wrote: [*]Playstation 3 - All are fakes, for Windows no less.
That's not true, there is rpcs3:
https://code.google.com/p/rpcs3/
Not that it's very useful at the moment, but they're working on it.
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(05-03-2013, 05:30 PM)Shonumi Wrote: [*]Playstation 3 - All are fakes, for Windows no less. That's not true, there is rpcs3: https://code.google.com/p/rpcs3/ Not that it's very useful at the moment, but they're working on it. 05-04-2013, 07:07 AM
Um, if you saw some of the other list entries (WiiU, 3DS, Vita) it's clear these are joke items, not accurate statements.
05-04-2013, 07:28 AM
I've seen a blog about someone writing an interpreter for the XBox 360, but haven't heard mention of it anywhere else. I got the impression he had the CPU arguably accurate, but hadn't done anything other than the most basic level of CPU interpretation (i.e. it would work if it was hooked up to the rest of an emulator, but there was no rest of the emulator). Has anyone heard anything else about this?
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Shonumi Wrote:Well, I've played enough of SNES9x to tell you that you'd be very unlucky to come across any bug that you'd 1) notice enough to care or 2) consider detrimental to your gaming experience. bsnes is as accurate as you can get yes, but SNES9x has a high enough accuracy (probably ZSNES too) where it's largely irrelevant. That's what I figured but I like to play it safe. Shonumi Wrote:Personally, I'd like a non-Android solution. Indeed. Most of the issues I had with the mk808 seem to be related to android and not the device itself. Just off the top of my head (I haven't used the thing in months so there could certainly be more issues that I can't recall): 1. I couldn't get the thing to output proper 16:9 video 2. The hardware based scaling filter is awful 3. It produces a very irritating background static even though the audio is being sent out of the hdmi output as LPCM, which makes no sense 4. When something loud happens my speakers crackle/pop 5. For some strange reason the hdmi output works fine when plugged directly into my hdtv or monitor but not when plugged into either receiver. Once again this makes no sense. I've never had any of these issues with another device. My father let me try out his new samsung galaxy tab 2 and it has all of the same issues except #5. Also in terms of OS responsiveness the mk808 feels sluggish and the galaxy tab 2 feels lightning fast. If anyone is seriously contemplating getting one of these things do yourself a favor, kill yourself now. It will save you a lot of time. Shonumi Wrote:The emulators I have on my PC are very flexible, and there's almost nothing I can't emulate (even the Game.com). I think something from the zbox series would be good for me since I have a good feel of the hardware requirements now for various emulators on Linux. With OpenGL, Mednafen will have plenty of resources on an E2200 at 2.20 GHz or a T3400 @ 2.16 GHz. My only concern is the comparative IPC of these CPUs versus, say, an Intel Atom D525 @ 1.80 GHz. The answer is obviously "a lot more" I'm just wondering if it'll be enough to worry over. Rough IPC estimates relative to pentium 4 northwood: Bonnell (atom cpus): 1.3x Bobcat (AMD E, C, and Z series APUs): 1.65x Allendale 1M/Penryn : 1.9x Your E2200/T3400 is around 80% faster than an atom D525. Intels IGP drivers are terrible. I highly recommend you avoid any atom based systems unless they have an nvidia gpu in them (atom cpu + AMD gpu systems don't exist). Your main choices as far as zboxes are concerned are: NaturalViolence Wrote:an E series 1.65 GHz cpu/motherboard combo would do just fine. Or a Zotac 2.13Ghz atom/nvidia 520m/motherboard combo. Or a Sandy Bridge Dual Core Celeron 1.1GHz/motherboard combo + G 610 graphics card. The last one being the best and the middle actually being the most expensive. Minus the G 610 of course. The sandy/ivy bridge IGPs are kind of ok for linux. The drivers are a lot less buggy than the atom IGPs and they perform an order of magnitude better. But they are still nowhere near an nvidia/amd gpu in either area. Shonumi Wrote:Let me know about the research you've done. If it turns out something like the zbox won't get me where I want to be, I'm always looking for an answer to my emu-console project. Basically if you google for user and professional reviews of the zbox systems you'll find a lot of complaints about heat and noise. If your stress these things a lot (which emulation will inevitably do) the fans get loud and barely keep the cpu from overheating. And the case easily reaches temperatures above 50C (~125 F) when under stress. It's kind of odd that they would have such severe cooling issues considering the cpus they use are usually 17.5 watt TDP. But I guess it's just a bad/cheap design + small case. The user reviews are mixed. Some claiming it's a good htpc, others swearing it killed their children while they weren't looking. Overall they're not great. When I was searching for something like this on newegg/amazon I was shocked to find that none of the cheap/small barebone/mini PCs had a large amount of reviews with a 4+ star average rating. Every single one of them was filled with angry reviews. This might partially be the fact that people who did have problems with their system are more likely to write a review and the fact newegg reviewers are extremely picky. So it's probably not as bad as the negative reviews make it out to be. But it's still difficult for me to spend a large sum of money on something that isn't universally acclaimed. Plus I don't trust Zotac. I've never bought one of their products before. They're not a big name with a great reputation which typically means poor customer service and cheap niche products. And I've seen some reviews complaining about the customer service which only confirms my fears. Shonumi Wrote:N64 - Only real option is Mupen64Plus on Linux. 1.5 comes with a GUI, newer versions are CLI only. I have not tried PJ64, but Mupen64Plus has a very high compatibility, though most likely slightly lower than PJ64. Some games have minor issues, but most play well from start to finish. Yeah the last time I checked Mupen was in pretty bad shape compared to pj64. Also fuck CLI. I don't know why so many linux applications only come in CLI versions. It's extremely annoying. And let's not forget all of the image quality enhancements that aren't possible on mupen like SSAA for example. Also what about running PJ64 through WINE? Have you tried that? Shonumi Wrote:Playstation - While you can run ePSXe on Linux (32-bit only) and use all of the plugins, it's an older version. PCSX-R is a better solution since it has a more modern/comprehensive GUI and it can still use ePSXe plugins. That said, I use neither of them for 2D games. Mednafen has "experimental" PSX support that just happens to be better than anything else I've tried on Linux. I've said this before, but I absolutely could not get Star Ocean 2 to run perfectly in either ePSXe or PCSX-R, Linux or Windows. Each has issues with video sync and sound. Mednafen ran it perfectly the first time (which floored me, literally, I fell when my laptop ran it). Valkyrie Profile is tricky too in ePSXe and PCSX-R; not so in Mednafen. If you're not CLI inclined, Mednafen has a GUI; you'll want the latest source as well. Again, Mednafen itself is cross-platform. For 3D games, I use PCSX-R. Mednafen doesn't have an equivalent to Internal Resolution. Same as above. And for these two reasons windows is still the kind of OS as far as emulation goes. It's quite sad because I grew up mainly in this era so I would most likely spend the most time playing games from this era. I remember the linux emulation situation basically being "everything works well except N64/PS1 emulation which is way behind windows". Which according to your list is basically still true. Shonumi Wrote:When in doubt, pimp it out. Shonumi Wrote:Like I said, when I first start off on these projects, usually go in very conservatively at first, then get it right the next time if I'm not satisfied. These two sentences directly contradict each other. Edit: This took way too long to write. So I'm not proofreading this. I apologize for any unspeakable acts of depravity I have committed to the English language. Edit 2: Fixed the order of responses which somehow got fucked up.
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I'm mostly against Android not because of playback issues (as I've said, I've never played anything on my MK803 other than emulators) but I want to have as much control as possible. Slackware, naturally, is my OS of choice. What I intend to do, I only partially finished with my RPi: Boot into a custom SDL app that launches emulators and functions like a game collection manager. Of course there's XBMC, but there's a difference between enjoying a good DIY project and NIH syndrome.
NaturalViolence Wrote:Rough IPC estimates relative to pentium 4 northwood: Hey, thanks for that I think I can use a program called cpufreq to essentially throttle my laptop to 1GHz or something like that, about a 53% drop in performance. Not quite 80% but it'll give me a something I can see and mess around with. I'll just have to imagine that remaining 27% decrease. NaturalViolence Wrote:Intels IGP drivers are terrible. I highly recommend you avoid any atom based systems unless they have an nvidia gpu in them (atom cpu + AMD gpu systems don't exist). Actually, the GPU is far from a concern for me. My laptop has a fairly crappy GMA X3100, and it handles N64 and PSX games just fine, which is the maximum that I'm interested in currently. Anything higher than that will have to wait (and I prefer Dolphin, Desmume, et al on my desktop atm, especially with my new 1080p monitor). The Intel drivers provided by Mesa have done what they needed to do so far, though for Dolphin you can clearly see how inferior they are. My E2200 computer has a G33/G31 Express Chipset, which from what I gather is weaker than the GMA X3100. Yet even when both were using OpenGL, the G33/G31 performed nearly twice as fast (the desktop runs Windows XP btw). I tested this way back when I first came to the forums, and that was with r75XX. Now neither can really run the latest Dolphin revisions. Don't forget, what I need OpenGL for mostly essentially boils down to having an emulator copy the emulated system's framebuffer (which is calculated by the CPU) to an OpenGL texture for blitting. It's just a textured quad really; the driver would have to be nearly non-existent not to fufill that. Consequently, this doesn't require a great deal from the GPU, and even the lowest common denominator from today's IGPs snort at that kind of task. That covers Mednafen, SNES9x, FCUEX, and just about everything up until 3D PSX games and N64 games. That requires more from OpenGL (and thus the drivers) but I've been playing those games for quite a while on my laptop without issue. The IGP is pretty weak though, and some N64 games in 720p or greater seemed to push it too far. As long as the drivers for whatever device I buy are at least up to par with the GMA X3100 drivers (circa 2008 too, I have not updated them) that's fine with me. NaturalViolence Wrote:Yeah the last time I checked Mupen was in pretty bad shape compared to pj64. I dunno where people get the image that Mupen64Plus (which is different from Mupen64) has poor emulation, even in comparison to PJ64 (Squall propaganda maybe). Every game isn't perfect, but then that's the case with PJ64 as well. It can't seriously be considered hit or miss, not in my experience, as I've played a number of games fully with only minor issues. Name some games (you know, make it all of the games) you want to play and I'll tell you what the status is, then you can decide for yourself if it's worth the trouble. NaturalViolence Wrote:Also fuck CLI. I don't know why so many linux applications only come in CLI versions. It's extremely annoying. For the same reason why Dolphin doesn't support Wiimotes in netplay: no one on the project is interested in working on it. There are several projects aimed at being the Mupen64Plus GUI because of this. It's not a Linux-only problem (case in point, the Windows and OS X versions past 1.5 are CLI only as well), that's just OSS development. The devs have no obligation to work on a GUI, and with the community filling in the gap anyway, they spend their time working on what they want to. NaturalViolence Wrote:And let's not forget all of the image quality enhancements that aren't possible on mupen like SSAA for example. Nope. As long as your drivers can force those enhancements for OpenGL, you can add all the IQ enhancements you like. I dunno about AMD, but Nvidia's Linux drivers can force anisotropic filtering, various levels of MSAA and FXAA. You can't do SSAA specifically, though, not to my knowledge. NaturalViolence Wrote:Also what about running PJ64 through WINE? Have you tried that? Eventually I will. But it's on a long to-do list of gaming/emulation relating things. NaturalViolence Wrote:Same as above. And for these two reasons windows is still the kind of OS as far as emulation goes. It's quite sad because I grew up mainly in this era so I would most likely spend the most time playing games from this era. Two reasons? One being the CLI for Mednafen and two being... ? I didn't quite catch the second one. At any rate, PCSXR and Mednafen run the same code on Windows as they do on Linux, and you've got to be kidding if you think ePSXe doesn't have issues, even on Windows. NaturalViolence Wrote:I remember the linux emulation situation basically being "everything works well except N64/PS1 emulation which is way behind windows". Which according to your list is basically still true. No, with Mednafen, PSX emulation is just about complete for 2D games, and PCSXR covers 3D games. N64 emulation isn't perfect (and it probably won't be for a long time, Windows or Linux), but it's far from being a horrible, buggy experience. I'm not saying this for self-reassurance or validation; I'm saying this because I have literally been emulating games for hundreds of hours on Linux for these systems. Name me some games and I'll tell you how they fare. If you want, I'll even throw up a few YouTube videos. NaturalViolence Wrote:These two sentences directly contradict each other. Please read for context. I'm telling you to pimp it out because I think "[f]or you ... I imagine you'd rather have a dent in your wallet over having performance less than desired and still having to dent your wallet to later fix it." For me, I "go in very conservatively at first, then get it right the next time if I'm not satisfied." I don't think you're the type of person who likes to get less performance than they want on a project like this, so I advised you to get the faster processor. I'm already on the 3rd iteration of my emu-console (RPi -> MK803 -> ????); I'm okay with my results, but I'm obviously not wholly satisfied, so I'm trying to get it right the next time. My impression of you is that you'd rather avoid multiple trial and errors to get what you want straightaway. I'm actually pretty loaded in terms of expendable cash for luxury items, so I guess I can flirt with failure :p (05-04-2013, 07:07 AM)Shonumi Wrote: Um, if you saw some of the other list entries (WiiU, 3DS, Vita) it's clear these are joke items, not accurate statements.Okay. It's just really hard to determine whether some of those are jokes or your actual opinion since there are all kinds of people on the internet. While this one Quote:3DS - I haven't released it yet. Plus, it's a secret to everyone. is clearly a joke, I really wasn't sure about: Quote:Playstation 3 - All are fakes, for Windows no less. If you wrote something like "why would you need a PS3 emulator, the PS3 has no games" it would've been more clear to me^^ 05-04-2013, 10:42 PM
(05-04-2013, 06:05 PM)dEnigma Wrote: If you wrote something like "why would you need a PS3 emulator, the PS3 has no games" it would've been more clear to me^^ I'm gonna assume you were joking here
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I ended up finally taking the laptop mobo out of the case. I cleaned the case, mobo, fan, heatsink, and then redid the thermal paste. It wasn't too much work and I'm glad that I finally got that done after almost 2 years of use. If feels good to know that you just gave your laptop a nice refreshing.
The only issue was that a few of the plastic screw case mounts got cracked and broken off while taking the case apart, but there wasn't a whole lot I could have done about that.
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