So did anyone else see the Seattle-Green Bay game this week?
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09-27-2012, 09:40 AM
(09-27-2012, 05:42 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: Do it, do it, DO IT!!!!! I'm feeling your disinterest here . But I like this idea of "Worldwide community". Showing that Dolphin isn't restricted to USA or Europe. I'm thinking of active members such as Zee530, Runo, Admin89, Kaicooper...
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09-27-2012, 11:01 AM
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DDR4 looks promising. If only my mobo could use it though.
I'll stick to my 16 GB of RAM thanks. If I need more speed ill overclock; voltages don't bother me much.
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(This post was last modified: 09-27-2012, 01:25 PM by NaturalViolence.)
Quote:I'm trying to resize an animated GIF for my avatar, but I'm at school and I can't download any tools... The online ones I have found so far remove the animation. Please for the love of god don't use animated gifs in your signature or avatar. They become annoying VERY fast. (09-27-2012, 09:40 AM)ExtremeDude2 Wrote:(09-27-2012, 08:56 AM)Axxer Wrote: It's pretty hard to prove something that isn't true. That depends on what it is. We have multiple professions whose purpose is to do this. Quote:DDR4 is 2 times faster than DDR3 , more power-efficient (1.2 vs 1.5v) "2 times faster" is not the same thing as "twice as fast". It's 1x + 2x vs. 1x * 2. "2 times faster" is three times as fast. 1x + 2x = 3x. IT'S TIME FOR NATURALVIOLENCE'S ANGRY RANT OF THE DAY!!! I can't even begin to count the number of times I see people constantly making this mistake both in real life and online. People actually argue with me about this in both realms as if it's not a well known fact. This misuse of the term may in fact be just as common as the correct use, it certainly seems that way. I even see professionals using this type of incorrect math all the time to market products. It pisses me off so much because it's so obvious yet so many people actually grow up thinking that 2 times faster means twice as fast. It annoys me even more when professionals do it. People shouldn't be using the term "times faster" to begin with because it's poor wording yet it seems to be much more common than the much more appropriate term "as fast". I have to say reading that article really annoyed me. There were several typos. Several words being misused. Several misleading sentences. And all of the information mentioned has been available and known for multiple years now. The article was extremely short and completely neglects to mention any of the extremely important information about the standard that it should have mentioned such as the inclusion of officially supported memory stacking. I should also point out that while DDR4 is more energy efficient than DD3 and DDR2 lower voltage doesn't necessarily mean lower power consumption. The two terms are related but not completely interchangeable. Quote:If I need more speed ill overclock; voltages don't bother me much. I'm not totally sure how to interpret that. Are you referring to cpu overclocking or memory overclocking? In out modern world of cpus with good caching systems memory performance almost never affects application performance at all, with the exception of a few very memory dependent applications whose performance is slightly affected by memory performance (mostly software rendering, database management, and other server apps). However the need for fast memory increases as you clock your cpu higher. As for memory overclocking. When you ram starts giving you corrupt data those memory voltages will bother you. And keep in mind that the IMC in sandy/ivy bridge is extremely sensitive to voltage compared to previous generations of memory controllers. When the switch to DDR4 happens you'll be forced to upgrade like everyone else if you want to get a new cpu because Intel/AMD will stop supporting DDR3 in new chipsets (due to the fact that it's borderline impossible to support both at the same time without some crazy expensive motherboard with a million traces). Haswell is expected to use DDR3. Haswell-E and maybe rockwell are expected to be the first Intel cpus to support DDR4 (2014 at the earliest).
"Normally if given a choice between doing something and nothing, I’d choose to do nothing. But I would do something if it helps someone else do nothing. I’d work all night if it meant nothing got done."
-Ron Swanson "I shall be a good politician, even if it kills me. Or if it kills anyone else for that matter. " -Mark Antony Quote:"2 times faster" is not the same thing as "twice as fast". It's 1x + 2x vs. 1x * 2.Didn't know that lol Thanks for correcting me Quote:Haswell-E and maybe rockwell are expected to be the first Intel cpus to support DDR4 (2014 at the earliest).What's "Rockwell" . It's not "Broadwell" , right ? Laptop: Youtube Channel (Vintage Tech/Watches) ::
I was saying that if I somehow need more memory speed (which I don't think I will, but who knows) I would OC the RAM. I said the thing about voltages to basically say "Meh, so it uses less power and probably generates heat; power doesn't worry me."
RAM OC'ing seems more dangerous than CPU or GPU (because of the lack of anything but a basic heat sink on the RAM), so I don't really want to go there. NaturalViolence Wrote:IT'S TIME FOR NATURALVIOLENCE'S ANGRY RANT OF THE DAY!!! You only do ONE per day?
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(This post was last modified: 09-27-2012, 03:49 PM by NaturalViolence.)
Quote:What's "Rockwell" . It's not "Broadwell" , right ? I meant broadwell. They renamed rockwell to broadwell a few months ago. Quote:RAM OC'ing seems more dangerous than CPU or GPU (because of the lack of anything but a basic heat sink on the RAM), so I don't really want to go there. The heat is not the problem. Most DDR3 DIMMs don't even need heatspreaders. The DIMM manufacturers just put them on there anyways because they started figuring out that they sell better a few years ago (because they look cool) and to be sure. No matter how much you OC your ram you're not going to get it very hot. The problem is that a significant OC is going to require either significantly higher latencies, significantly higher voltage, or both. And like all microscopic/nanoscopic electronic components dram memory cells are quite sensitive to voltage increases. Dram memory cells aren't designed to run at high clock rates, they are based on transistor + capacitor logic instead of just transistor logic. On top of that the way memory reads and bitline precharges work requires very long interconnects to be crossed by signals during each clock period. The fact of the matter is dram frequency hasn't significantly increased in 12 years. Only the I/O speeds have improved. You can't raise the I/O frequency without raising the memory core frequency since the ratios are locked by the standard that the memory follows. This is one of the reasons why we need to keep coming out with new memory standards, to allow memory I/O speed to continue to grow.
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