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Quote:you know the aging process of thermal paste? That's not how it works. Even if the TIM was to degrade over time (which it may very well not), it would vary depending on the materials used. You can't just make up a random number and say all TIM will die after X period. No one knows what's in the "secret sauce" (quote from Intel) that was on the review samples, and without knowing that it is impossible to find out how long this new material may last. Assuming there is a limit at all. Anyway. Even if the Ivy Bridges use TIM, it could be possible to remove the IHS, clear off the TIM, and put your cooler directly on the die shielding. But it wouldn't be easy, it would completely void the warranty, and still not as good as having a heatsink on a soldered IHS. But eh, a TIMed IHS is a cooling hinderance, so, better gone than holding back the system. Hopefully they don't even use TIM in the retail chips, we'll see in a few weeks when some brave overclockers investigate. Intel Xeon w7-3465X OC | Asus Pro WS W790-E Sage SE | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE | 8x16GiB G-Skill Zeta R5 DDR5-6000 | Windows 11 23H2 | (details)
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04-28-2012, 02:19 PM
Artic Silver has a degrading span
Noctua's stuff doesn't, neither does ThermalRights stuff ThermalAdhesive doesn't degrade at all. 04-29-2012, 06:55 AM
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I'm amazed I had to ask this: Where is the proof? None of you have posted any substantial evidence yet for this claim that intel is using TIM with ivy bridge.
Edit: Here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMzzUuvKW...r_embedded Now I can sleep easy. In future please post your source whenever you want to post new information on a brand new piece of hardware.
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A) what an expensive video.
B) I'm sure an article was posted.
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Most of the articles I found didn't site any sources other than other articles that didn't site any sources. This video along with a few images out there provides visual proof, you don't even need to watch it just skip to the middle like I did and you'll see the TIM.
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-Ron Swanson "I shall be a good politician, even if it kills me. Or if it kills anyone else for that matter. " -Mark Antony Quote:In future please post your source whenever you want to post new information on a brand new piece of hardware. Always do. The article I linked to took apart their own review sample, and they gave a link to their full review in the article. I would say that's a lot of proof. Intel Xeon w7-3465X OC | Asus Pro WS W790-E Sage SE | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE | 8x16GiB G-Skill Zeta R5 DDR5-6000 | Windows 11 23H2 | (details)
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04-29-2012, 09:53 AM
You must have posted that while I was writing one of my posts (look at the timestamps) which explains why I don't remember reading it. But you're right you did provide a source so I apologize.
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I have to question the sanity of anyone who would think for a second that cpu cooling would have stopped using a form of TIM...ever.
the stock tim on a stock cooler is usually permanent, which is why you should scrape that shit off and repolish the heatink base unless you want the cooler ripping the cpu from the socket the next time you want to install a new cpu,. Squall Leonhart Wrote:the stock tim on a stock cooler is usually permanent, which is why you should scrape that shit off and repolish the heatink base unless you want the cooler ripping the cpu from the socket the next time you want to install a new cpu,. ...You've never built a PC before have you. In ten years of building custom PCs and doing PC repair as a side job, I have never, ever ran into "thermal glue". Never. I've taken apart Dells, Emachines, Compaqs, Laptops (that was for fun though, it's still in a million pieces in my closet), on and on, and built tons of machines for myself and others. If TIM is used, it's the same old stuff, just twist it a little and the heatsink comes right off. And did you know that on all modern systems, the heatsink completely covers the CPU? You cannot get access to the clamps that hold the CPU in place. If the thermal paste did glue the heatsink to the CPU as you claim, no one could replace their CPU, ever. That would be a pretty dumb design for a user installable part now wouldn't it? It's so dumb, even OEMs don't do it. As for "scraping it off and repolishing the heatsink", you have obviously never worked with TIM and heatsinks. Just put some alcohol on a rag and it wipes right off. No "polishing" required. Stock fans, purchased fans, they are all the same, just wipe it off you have a nice smooth surface to put some Arctic Silver onto. Squall Leonhart Wrote:I have to question the sanity of anyone who would think for a second that cpu cooling would have stopped using a form of TIM...ever. Stopped? No. Hindered? Yes. Thermal Paste is not as good a conductor as solid metal. Here's a tidbit from that article you didn't read. http://www.overclockers.com/ivy-bridge-temperatures Wrote:A solder attach could have a heat conductivity in the range of 80 W/mK. A TIM paste could have a heat conductivity in the range of 5 W/mK. That’s your problem right there! Thermal Paste allows you to have a temporary connection between two metal pieces. It's not the best, but if you keep it down to just one TIM bridge, it's not that bad. The problem with having TIM connect the die to the IHS is that you are increasing the number of times thermal grease is used, and decreasing the thermal dissipation rate. THAT is why this is bad. Intel Xeon w7-3465X OC | Asus Pro WS W790-E Sage SE | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE | 8x16GiB G-Skill Zeta R5 DDR5-6000 | Windows 11 23H2 | (details)
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