(07-15-2009, 09:10 AM)THELUKESTIR Wrote: [ -> ]Ok guys, really you can say "well its not THAT bad" but here is what i think:
1- We have allready established, macs cant play games, they have no room in the heart of dolphin devs ^^
2- Their hardware SUCKS so that ruins the whole mac right there
3- Mac hardware is overpriced
4- You cant say its all in the asthetics because it is white plastic -.- other computers have way cooler cases
5- People who buy macs are kind of dumb... I'm not saying all but some are... case and point here, they cant find a smart one for their ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2-UuIEOcss
1. I must be mistaken I thought doom 3 was a game. O well I must be wrong. I do agree macs a generally not used to play games but that doesn't mean they can't.
2. So by your original statement you said mac hardware sucks. Lets assume that is true and go with it. So since a mac and a pc use the same hardware then pc hardware then must also suck.
3. Did you decide that or did a pc fanboy tell you that? Anyways go compare a laptop with the same specs straight across.
4. There is only one macbook left that uses a white plastic case. The new ones are aluminum. Cases are also a matter of opinion.
5. People buy what they need.
I am use my mac to program in objective C. As for the operating system I actually like leopard more than Xp or Vista.
Now so you don't think I am a Mac fanboy I have a desktop pc that I use for gaming and programing in other languages.
As for the adds in my opinion are a complete waste of money and time by both Mac and Microsoft. In no way do I feel that there is any useful information that is presented in the add but more of a smear campaign that just makes both companies look bad.
Okay now back to the original thread topic I would use Bootcamp for a dual boot system. Stay away from virtual machines they will most likely make it so your video card shows up as a generic 8mb card.
1- I don't think that being able to play one good game that came out in 2005 is enoough to consider it able to play games
2- OK i know they both use the same hardware, i got a little mixed up and wanted to get more points in in my rant ^^ This is not a valid arguement, however see 5
3- um i don't know where you have been finding your prices but look at this
I will compare the cheapest imac on the official site to a computer i found with about 40 seconds of searching on newegg
Imac
20-inch
2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB memory
320GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
$1,199.00
PC
No monitor included
Intel I7 @ 2.66 ghz stock
6Gb tri channel ddr3
500gb sata 2 7200rpm
22X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Driv
NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT 1GB
$899.99
Even if you were to replace the 9500gt with a 260 gtx it would still be a little less than the mac!
4- cases are a matter of opinion... one thing we agree on ^^
5- you can buy a loaf of bread for 5 dollars or 2 loafs of bread for 2... which would you buy
(07-16-2009, 01:12 AM)THELUKESTIR Wrote: [ -> ]1- I don't think that being able to play one good game that came out in 2005 is enoough to consider it able to play games
Whats with Sims 3 then? Isn't that old. But you are missing a big point here. It's true that there are not many games for Mac OS X but thats because the market share of OS X is around 10%-15% of the PC market. Given that even PC (Windows)-Gaming is dying right now in favor of consoles, its only reasonable for publishers to not publish their games on Mac OS X.
Install Windows on a Mac, and you can play everything you want (FYI in 2007 the Macbook Pro was named the best Windows Notebook of the Year by PC Magazine).
(07-16-2009, 01:12 AM)THELUKESTIR Wrote: [ -> ]2- OK i know they both use the same hardware, i got a little mixed up and wanted to get more points in in my rant ^^ This is not a valid arguement, however see 5
Hmkay. Just tell me what exactly sucks at Mac Hardware.. Is it the 7-8 hours of battery life? The LED-backlit screen? 4GB of DDR3 Memory in Standard-Configuration?
(07-16-2009, 01:12 AM)THELUKESTIR Wrote: [ -> ]3- um i don't know where you have been finding your prices but look at this
I will compare the cheapest imac on the official site to a computer i found with about 40 seconds of searching on newegg
Imac PC
20-inch No monitor included
2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Intel I7 @ 2.66 ghz stock
2GB memory 6Gb tri channel ddr3
320GB hard drive1 500gb sata 2 7200rpm
8x double-layer SuperDrive 22X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Driv
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT 1GB
$1,199.00 $899.99
Even if you were to replace the 9500gt with a 260 gtx it would still be a little less than the mac!
So, theres no monitor included and its cheaper.
Have you seen an iMac before? This is an all-in-one-Computer. It uses Laptop-Chips and Technology to fit everything behind the screen. Compare to other All-in-One-PCs like the ones from HP or the Sony-rip-off. Or just compare Laptop prices.
(07-16-2009, 01:12 AM)THELUKESTIR Wrote: [ -> ]4- cases are a matter of opinion... one thing we agree on ^^
We could go a bit further here. As the new Aluminium-Cases are the best cases you can get in terms of stability and weight. The Look, of course, is a matter of opinion.
(07-16-2009, 01:12 AM)THELUKESTIR Wrote: [ -> ]5- you can buy a loaf of bread for 5 dollars or 2 loafs of bread for 2... which would you buy
I'd buy the one that I'd actually like to eat. You wouldn't buy bread from the day before just because its cheaper, right?
Sorry that that pc config was all mixed up ill fix it... but i couldnt care less about the "all in one design" you might as well be getting a laptop... and if you are looking for a laptop MACS ARE OVERPRICED i dont care if there is no monitor because A- you dont have to pay for a new monitor each time and B- even buying a monitor you STILL would get a better configuration for less money.... Installing windows on a mac makes the idea of having a mac redundent and its like saying "hey i messed up... wish i could go back and fix it, well this is the best i can do" I just don't see why anyone should pay more money for a product that is arguably equal or less than a pc
Okay. So you have given up?
Because you are just repeating the same blahblah without facts over and over again.
Of course, if you don't want an iMac, don't buy one, no ones forcing you.
But repeating "MACS ARE OVERPRICED!!!111!!11" all over again won't help you..
Back to topic.
Please don't turn this thread into a meaningless windows vs linux comparison... as for the mac Hardware, it should be perfectly fine for Dolphin, Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad are able to run Dolphin just fine with ~any GFX card.
The real issue with the Mac port of Dolphin is that almost nobody is really focusing on it, and as far as i know, if you ever get it to compile, it won't let you change the settings, because of a strange bug in the GUI, and the OpenGL plugin has its issues too...
So currently, only the windows and linux (which has a few issues too) versions are really maintained
I'm sorry but i refuse to sit idly by while a company sells core 2 duos for the price of i7s and 2gb ddr2 for the price of 6gb ddr3... im done now, i wish people would see the light
(07-16-2009, 07:42 AM)THELUKESTIR Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry but i refuse to sit idly by while a company sells core 2 duos for the price of i7s and 2gb ddr2 for the price of 6gb ddr3... im done now, i wish people would see the light
Poor ignorants that we are...
In the meantime - and i know it'll sound strange to you - some people actually think differently... (not to make any play on word about "think different" there :p)
As strange as it can be, some people actually prefer Mac over PC even though it's generally more expensive ! just like some people don't like windows, and some other don't like chocolate. (wtf, do they dare ?
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now the real question is : why do you freaking care ?
I also have a Mac (specifically a Macbook Pro) and I'd figure I'd post some of my findings. As previously mentioned, the best way to get the emulator to work properly is through running windows via Bootcamp, as this method is a lot easier than trying to get it to run through OSX. Even though Bootcamp works for me, I'm going to be trying to work on installing it in OSX using the various guides and if I can figure out how to make it run properly, I will post my results here. I have yet to find a thorough guide, and so if I can get it to work, I wouldn't be opposed to writing one up.
Though bootcamp is a really good way to get around having to install it on OSX, it can be a nuisance if the only time that you are using the Windows partition is for emulation.
As for all the discussion on whether or not macs are better than PCs, it really has little to do with performance anymore. Personal taste as well as professional usage are the two of the largest deciding factors when making making the choice between Macs and PCs. Since every new Mac uses an Intel processor, there is less of a difference (hardware wise) than ever before.
And yes, Macs are generally expensive, but as their newer operating system is designed for Intel Processors, there are a variety of way in which you can build your own Mac. Because of this, price is no longer an issue. I do realize that most people are not willing to build their own computer, but, as we are on an emulation forum, a majority of its members are skilled with technology.
Also a lot of casual computer users choose Mac because it was specifically designed to be more user friendly and stable than Windows. You tend to pay more for a Mac upfront because they use reliable parts and their technical support is generally superior to that of other companies.
As Macs are solely made by one company, they (unlike in the PC market) are able to closely monitor product quality.
I am not at all trying to say that Macs are better than PCs, or vice versa. I own both a Mac and a PC, and each has their advantages.
Basically, it all boils down to personal preference. But, the fact still stands that there are people on this forum who only own a Mac; even if there aren't many. So instead of chastising people based on this, we should do our part to help them out.
That said, I am going to be trying out a few different methods for getting Dolphin to work on OSX and if I do make a break-through, I'll post it on here.
I'm pretty sure you can't make a breakthrough. That is, unless you are a developer and try to fix all the bugs in the OS X Build preventing it from running stable.