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(06-05-2022, 03:20 AM)Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote: [ -> ]Just keep in mind that, unless you specifically want DLSS (at least in situations where FSR 2.0 is not yet present) or their currently-better raytracing performance, the Radeon 6000's pricing is staying considerably less inflated than the GeForce 3000 series is, resulting in silly price-matchups where a budget Radeon 6600XT can be had for the same price as a higher-end GeForce 3050 (not a typo).

About the AMD solution, I must say that I don't particularly need raytracing, the resolution of my current screen would greatly limit its interest, and I don't plan to change it soon.
In other words, I'm not closed to the idea of seeing AMD.
It's a stupid consumer habit (intel = nvidia), thanks for reminding me

Quote:What is this "general task" you speak of though? Dolphin, or some other program?

I think "general task" means using everyday software, or loading web pages, yes.
On this website (https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator) it is possible to evaluate the bottleneck according to the use you want to make of the computer, and the display resolution .
It is moreover on the latter that I recovered the percentages that I communicated to you.

Quote:One thing I was thinking is that Intel 13th gen should be drop-in compatible with any LGA1700 motherboard with the only requirement being a BIOS update, and both the Gigabyte and ASRock motherboards support Q-Flash/Flashback (lets you update the BIOS without having the CPU installed), thereby letting you update the BIOS and being able to boot with a 13th gen CPU without even needing a 12th gen CPU. And since Intel historically doesn't really drop the prices on their CPUs, I would not be surprised if a "13600K" ended up being similarly priced to the 12600K (and that's assuming that something like the "13600 non-K" doesn't end up having E-cores) at which point it'd be silly to get a 12600K barring any weird Intel platform-segmentation shenanigans that makes this idea impractical.


Of course, I would imagine that 700-series motherboards would also launch along-side Intel 13th gen...

The choice of this motherboard is therefore a good choice! I didn't know that it was able to support the 13th generation of processor with just a bios update and without a processor. That's excellent news.
I may be able to order the motherboard before everything else suddenly.
I'm really afraid that it will disappear from sale over time...
When I bought my Z390-H gaming, 2 months later it became impossible to find on the internet, things are changing much too quickly today :p

Quote:Different workloads will have different CPU requirements and that's going to make all the difference for whether you'd be CPU-bottlenecked or not. I mean, Gamers Nexus even used a 10700K @ 5.1GHz for their 3090Ti review, and the 9900K(F) really is virtually the exact same CPU with just slightly-tweaked stock clocks.

Thanks for the 3090Ti links, meanwhile I started asking on an overclocking forum if overclocking my I9-9900kf might help me buy a 3090 without a bottleneck.
When I saw the 25% with it, when my processor was released in July 2019, I was not well!
I had already filled my shopping list with a 360mm AIO and 32gb of ram at 3600mhz, as recommended on this overclocking tutorial tailored for my processor ( https://www.tweaktown.com/guides/9225/intel-core-i9-9900k-kf-overclocking-guide/index.html ) xD

(06-05-2022, 04:25 AM)LeBoulet Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't know that it was able to support the 13th generation of processor with just a bios update and without a processor.

Technically they don't support 13th gen just yet since such a BIOS has not yet been released, but that should go without saying.

That being said, I did feel the need to at least point out that the way it works is that it uses a FAT32-formatted USB flash drive with an MBR partition table (typically small-capacity USB flash drives are already formatted as such, so the smaller the capacity the better). So if you're someone that doesn't actually have a USB flash drive on hand or doesn't have the necessary adapter to effectively turn a microSD card into a USB flash drive, then this route isn't actually an option.


EDIT: Lawl, of course just a single day after I mention the idea of maybe a September launch for Intel 13th gen and it launching before Zen4, new info gets put out basically saying September is indeed the earliest but for a paper launch and, even then, that paper launch could come in October. In other words, Zen4 might actually end up launching with any actual semblance of product quantity on store shelves before Intel 13th gen after all.

It'd probably be safest to just say that new CPUs in general won't be available until quarter 4 of this year, so take that into account when planning any GPU upgrades. At the very least it looks like Intel's discrete GPUs might finally actually be available in quarter 3? (though possibly with most GPU quantity going to pre-builts rather than the DIY market)

(06-05-2022, 07:49 AM)Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote: [ -> ]Technically they don't support 13th gen just yet since such a BIOS has not yet been released, but that should go without saying.

That being said, I did feel the need to at least point out that the way it works is that it uses a FAT32-formatted USB flash drive with an MBR partition table (typically small-capacity USB flash drives are already formatted as such, so the smaller the capacity the better).  So if you're someone that doesn't actually have a USB flash drive on hand or doesn't have the necessary adapter to effectively turn a microSD card into a USB flash drive, then this route isn't actually an option.


EDIT: Lawl, of course just a single day after I mention the idea of maybe a September launch for Intel 13th gen and it launching before Zen4, new info gets put out basically saying September is indeed the earliest but for a paper launch and, even then, that paper launch could come in October.  In other words, Zen4 might actually end up launching with any actual semblance of product quantity on store shelves before Intel 13th gen after all.

It'd probably be safest to just say that new CPUs in general won't be available until quarter 4 of this year, so take that into account when planning any GPU upgrades.  At the very least it looks like Intel's discrete GPUs might finally actually be available in quarter 3? (though possibly with most GPU quantity going to pre-builts rather than the DIY market)

Rest assured, I am the man with a thousand USB sticks :p

To correct the bottleneck of my main configuration, I went on the possibility of overclocking the processor...
But in the meantime, I redid another bottleneck test with a 4K display resolution and even with a radeon 6950xt or a 3080Ti, under these conditions my bottleneck drops to less than 1%.
In other words, I hadn't planned to change screens, but I have no choice but to take full advantage of a newer graphics card to replace the 2080 xc ultra.
It's a good thing, I'm finally going to hit 4k on my main PC, out of necessity, but not unpleasant.
So it doesn't matter that the 13 series come out at the end of the year, it will allow me to put some money aside, because the bill is starting to get much heavier there.

I saw the "GIGABYTE M32U" 4k 144hz 1ms freesync (my previous screen was curved, too bad this one isn't)
But for 799€, it's very good.

...and now there are rumors that the release of Nvidia's 4000 series has been pushed back yet again, making it squarely a quarter 4 launch as well, presumably because there's too much inventory of the 3000 series.

I can't help but notice that the rumored launch dates for both Intel and Nvidia keep getting later and later yet the rumored time-frames for AMD's CPU & GPU launches have stayed the same...

(06-05-2022, 10:27 PM)LeBoulet Wrote: [ -> ]I saw the "GIGABYTE M32U" 4k 144hz 1ms freesync (my previous screen was curved, too bad this one isn't)
But for 799€, it's very good.

As a sucker for black levels and static contrast, I'm always of the view that, once you're in that price-range, you just go OLED and don't worry about anything else. I know I know, "burn in" you might say but the problem is we just don't have quality information at this time on their durability since the existing tests are from 5 years ago, and the tech as certainly progressed in multiple ways since then. The good news is that Rtings is putting together a new burn-in test and it sounds like LTT's new "labs" will be doing it as well but, of course, this sort of thing takes time to get tangible results.

A more practical issue is that the cheaper OLEDs are only available in 40+ inch sizes, and I personally consider the new Alienware QD-OLED monitor a "non-starter" due to its internal fan.

(06-06-2022, 04:28 AM)Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote: [ -> ]...and now there are rumors that the release of Nvidia's 4000 series has been pushed back yet again, making it squarely a quarter 4 launch as well, presumably because there's too much inventory of the 3000 series.

I can't help but notice that the rumored launch dates for both Intel and Nvidia keep getting later and later yet the rumored time-frames for AMD's CPU & GPU launches have stayed the same...


As a sucker for black levels and static contrast, I'm always of the view that, once you're in that price-range, you just go OLED and don't worry about anything else. I know I know, "burn in" you might say but the problem is we just don't have quality information at this time on their durability since the existing tests are from 5 years ago, and the tech as certainly progressed in multiple ways since then. The good news is that Rtings is putting together a new burn-in test and it sounds like LTT's new "labs" will be doing it as well but, of course, this sort of thing takes time to get tangible results.

A more practical issue is that the cheaper OLEDs are only available in 40+ inch sizes, and I personally consider the new Alienware QD-OLED monitor a "non-starter" due to its internal fan.

I didn't even know that Oled existed in computer screen format.
I looked quickly on the PcPartPicker and found 2 interesting models, but they are way too big (48" and 55")...
Indeed, I am limited to 32" by space, and very objectively, I find that the size is large enough for a desktop computer.
Still, there is the display frequency which is also very important 144hz, it is now mandatory for me. ^^
I switched back to 60hz after formatting my pc, it gave me a headache.
Once these parameters have been defined, including 4k, I only have the "MSI Optix MPG321UR-QD 32.0" 3840x2160 144 Hz" which is 200 euros more expensive, and which after verification seems worse than the previous one, finally according to this comparator (https://versus.com/fr/gigabyte-m32u-31-5-vs-msi-optix-mpg321ur-qd-32#group_display)

I think the dice are cast.

(06-06-2022, 05:51 AM)LeBoulet Wrote: [ -> ]I looked quickly on the PcPartPicker and found 2 interesting models, but they are way too big (48" and 55")...

There is also a 42" 16:9 and a 34" 21:9 ultrawide, but the latter is the one with the fan and the former is new enough to be more expensive than you'd expect... and I think it's technically only available as a TV right now, not a monitor, e.g. requires HDMI 2.1 (no DisplayPort) and additionally I think requires using a remote to power on the display.

Of course, being a TV means that it's also much more likely to see substantial price drops as the year goes on (a lot of times they end up being something like half-price by October/November).

(06-06-2022, 05:51 AM)LeBoulet Wrote: [ -> ]Indeed, I am limited to 32" by space, and very objectively, I find that the size is large enough for a desktop computer.

Technically you could always rotate it 90 degrees and run it in portrait. But then you'd only get a 2160 horizontal resolution...

(06-06-2022, 05:51 AM)LeBoulet Wrote: [ -> ]Still, there is the display frequency which is also very important 144hz, it is now mandatory for me. ^^

The only non-pro OLED displays that aren't at least 120Hz are LG's A-series TVs, but I think those might be 55" at minimum.

I too have been using high refresh for a long time, but mainly because I basically never "gave up" using CRT due to their black levels (due to heat output I only use the CRT in colder months but, where I am, that still ends up being at least half of the year).