(01-12-2021, 06:48 AM)Deafsnake Wrote: [ -> ]It was the first build I saw on the website. Don't believe me? Go check out the Downloads page yourself. Sucks that my GPU is weak but, at least I can run Dreamcast games on it.
Funny, the retroarch team on discord debunked the "A53 cant run dolphin" theory. You did say a lot of these "Chinese boxes are running updated android OS." Isn't Nvidia Shield technically a Chinese android box since it was designed with Chinese parts, built in a Chinese factory with low wage slaves, then shipped out of China? :-p lol Nintendo Switch IS a direct descendant from Nvidia Shield as well.. It's even running a modified Android OS as well.
Your argumentation is faulty.
While both are made in China, and may use similar components, Nintendo has Japanese management - these people include a quality management team and engineers that make sure that components are used that work well together.
So just because something is made in China, does not automatically make it inferior if management does the appropriate things.
Also, the Switch uses a far more powerful SoC than your "China box", besides that it runs different software and gets probably far better driver support than no name "Chinese boxes".
(01-12-2021, 07:35 AM)Aggro_hamtaro Wrote: [ -> ]Your argumentation is faulty.
While both are made in China, and may use similar components, Nintendo has Japanese management - these people include a quality management team and engineers that make sure that components are used that work well together.
So just because something is made in China, does not automatically make it inferior if management does the appropriate things.
Also, the Switch uses a far more powerful SoC than your "China box", besides that it runs different software and gets probably far better driver support than no name "Chinese boxes".
LOL.. "faulty?" You do realize that most big tech companies (Sony, Apple, Nvidia, Microsoft, and Google) RARELY visit the factories like Foxcomm? They don't give two flying figs on who builds them at Foxcomm for instance. They just care about turning a profit. (See: PS5s crashing and units deemed "faulty" and iPhone 7's cameras and batteries needing to be replaced.) Good management.. Only if pigs do fly. Switch isn't even that powerful - Nintendo basically stole the Tegra guts from the Nvidia Shield, slapped a screen and dock on, and called it the NINTENDO SWITCH. Even Switch and Shield has the same amount of letters.
For what's its worth, enjoy your "blood" phone (people and children died to make your Android/iPhone phone in China.) I know mine was made that way too but I had to accept it hard.
You're missing the point here. By "random chinese boxes" I meant China-only brands that uses older SoCs developed by chinese companies (Rockchip, Allwinner, HiSilicon, etc.). Most of them uses ancient GPUs with OpenGL ES 2.0 support only, or, when they do have newer GPUs, they are often locked to 32-bit editions of Android TV (despite the SoC being 64-bit capable).
The results is always the same: a technically compatible box that can't install Dolphin due to not running a 64-bit OS or an incompatible box that can install Dolphin but will fail to run any game (your case). And to be clear, these Chinese companies do have more powerful options on their SoC lineups, some which theoretically should run Dolphin very well, but you simply won't find them on random no-name set-top-boxes.
About the manufacturing: yes, nearly everything is manufactured in China nowadays, but there's a noticeable difference between a product from a huge company that spent lots of money in research and development like the NVIDIA Tegra X1 and a general purpose SoC from a much smaller company like the Rockchip RK3399, for example, despite both being actually manufactured in chinese factories. That's one of the main reasons the NVIDIA Shield TV still remains as the most powerful Android TV device compatible with Dolphin despite being released all the way back in 2015.
About "Nintendo stealing the Tegra guts from the NVIDIA Shield": that's called licensing, not stealing. Nintendo licensed a custom variant of the Tegra X1 for use on their Nintendo Switch, the same way Microsoft and Sony licensed custom built AMD APUs for use on the Xbox One/Series and PlayStation 4/5.
(01-12-2021, 12:48 PM)mbc07 Wrote: [ -> ]You're missing the point here. By "random chinese boxes" I meant China-only brands that uses older SoCs developed by chinese companies (Rockchip, Allwinner, HiSilicon, etc.). Most of them uses ancient GPUs with OpenGL ES 2.0 support only, or, when they do have newer GPUs, they are often locked to 32-bit editions of Android TV (despite the SoC being 64-bit capable).
The results is always the same: a technically compatible box that can't install Dolphin due to not running a 64-bit OS or an incompatible box that can install Dolphin but will fail to run any game (your case). And to be clear, these Chinese companies do have more powerful options on their SoC lineups, some which theoretically should run Dolphin very well, but you simply won't find them on random no-name set-top-boxes.
About the manufacturing: yes, nearly everything is manufactured in China nowadays, but there's a noticeable difference between a product from a huge company that spent lots of money in research and development like the NVIDIA Tegra X1 and a general purpose SoC from a much smaller company like the Rockchip RK3399, for example, despite both being actually manufactured in chinese factories. That's one of the main reasons the NVIDIA Shield TV still remains as the most powerful Android TV device compatible with Dolphin despite being released all the way back in 2015.
About "Nintendo stealing the Tegra guts from the NVIDIA Shield": that's called licensing, not stealing. Nintendo licensed a custom variant of the Tegra X1 for use on their Nintendo Switch, the same way Microsoft and Sony licensed custom built AMD APUs for use on the Xbox One/Series and PlayStation 4/5.
Oh, I understood perfectly. I wouldn't call Cortex an "no name" brand considering how it's been used in Roku boxes and every retro mini console that Nintendo, Sega, and SNK has ever released. My tv box is a X88 Pro which is a VERY capable box. The seller on amazon claimed that the box I bought is 64-bit with a 64-bit Android TV OS.
Sadly, not everyone can afford a Nvidia Shield or have any universal desire for it. A 4K version will set you back $300 according to a listing on Amazon. Try again, please. For that price, you could get a Xbox Series S or the Digital Edition of the PS5. Not my fault that China cheapened out on us when it comes to making Android boxes. That's what happens when China has a trade deal with the entire western world. They sell us cheap stuff because we. the westerners eat that stuff up. They know we have no choice but to buy their products.
About Nintendo/Sony licensing stuff from Nvidia/AMD/Intel. It's called "sarcasm." Not your best forte when it comes to understanding that. The only reason Sony and Microsoft went with AMD because they know Intel didn't make any serious progress on improving their Core lineups and they made any little innovations to their SoCs. In the same time span, AMD has made major strides in their processor/SOC units. Intel flopping is also why Apple decided to go make their own SOCs from here on.
(01-12-2021, 01:20 PM)Deafsnake Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I understood perfectly. I wouldn't call Cortex an "no name" brand considering how it's been used in Roku boxes and every retro mini console that Nintendo, Sega, and SNK has ever released. My tv box is a X88 Pro which is a VERY capable box. The seller on amazon claimed that the box I bought is 64-bit with a 64-bit Android TV OS.
Cortex isn't a brand, to begin with. That's a series of reference design other companies can license from ARM to build CPUs around it, and Cortex-A53, in particular, is ancient at this point, being initially released in 2012. Since it's a reference design, it can also be further customized by the licensee, like the Kryo cores found in recent Snapdragon SoCs or the Mongoose cores Samsung used to put on their Exynos SoCs, or used as is, like on most other SoC companies.
Your X88 Pro is anything but capable as far as Dolphin is concerned, even if its GPU supported OpenGL ES 3.0 and could run Dolphin, you would be seeing close to single digit FPS numbers in the majority of the games due to the low clocked A53 cores the RK3318 from that thing has. Again, not Rockchip's fault, as they have the more powerful RK3399 available since 2016 at least and already announced its successor (RK3588), which should be released anytime now and will have a much more capable CPU with both A76 and A55 cores, as well as a new ARM Natt-based GPU...
(01-12-2021, 01:20 PM)Deafsnake Wrote: [ -> ]Sadly, not everyone can afford a Nvidia Shield or have any universal desire for it. . a 4K version will set you back $300 according to a listing on Amazon. Try again, please. For that price, you could get s Xbox Series S or the Digital Edition of the PS5. Not my fault that China cheapened out on us when it comes to making Android boxes. That's what happens when China has a trade deal with the entire western world. They sell us cheap stuff because we. the westerners eat that stuff up. They know we have no choice but to buy their products.
Yada yada, "my cheap no-name box is too weak to run what I wanted to run on it so now I'll retcon what I said before to try to look smart". You opened a support thread asking why Dolphin doesn't work on your box and we said why, pointing you to an Android TV device known to work well with the emulator in the process. Not really my problem if you didn't like the answer.
(01-12-2021, 01:20 PM)Deafsnake Wrote: [ -> ]About Nintendo/Sony licensing stuff from Nvidia/AMD/Intel. It's called "sarcasm." Not your best forte when it comes to understanding that. The only reason Sony and Microsoft went with AMD because they know Intel didn't make any serious progress on improving their Core lineups and they made any little innovations to their SoCs. In the same time span, AMD has made major strides in their processor/SOC units. Intel flopping is also why Apple decided to go make their own SOCs from here on.
It's funny how "everything is chinese since it uses China-manufactured parts" and "Nintendo stole Tegra guts for the Switch and runs a custom Android-based OS" evolved to "sarcasm". Also, what does Sony/Microsoft licensing (or was it stealing? Ha ha) stuff from AMD instead of Intel has anything to do with the "White screen on Android 10 TV Box" question which was the subject of this thread and that was already answered anyway?
I highly doubt anything useful will still come out of this thread at this point, but I'm leaving it open anyway. I'm also done here, so, yeah, have fun with your unsupported set-top-box I guess?
(01-12-2021, 04:39 PM)mbc07 Wrote: [ -> ]Cortex isn't a brand, to begin with. That's a series of reference design other companies can license from ARM to build CPUs around it, and Cortex-A53, in particular, is ancient at this point, being initially released in 2012. Since it's a reference design, it can also be further customized by the licensee, like the Kryo cores found in recent Snapdragon SoCs or the Mongoose cores Samsung used to put on their Exynos SoCs, or used as is, like on most other SoC companies.
Your X88 Pro is anything but capable as far as Dolphin is concerned, even if its GPU supported OpenGL ES 3.0 and could run Dolphin, you would be seeing close to single digit FPS numbers in the majority of the games due to the low clocked A53 cores the RK3318 from that thing has. Again, not Rockchip's fault, as they have the more powerful RK3399 available since 2016 at least and already announced its successor (RK3588), which should be released anytime now and will have a much more capable CPU with both A76 and A55 cores, as well as a new ARM Natt-based GPU...
Yada yada, "my cheap no-name box is too weak to run what I wanted to run on it so now I'll retcon what I said before to try to look smart". You opened a support thread asking why Dolphin doesn't work on your box and we said why, pointing you to an Android TV device known to work well with the emulator in the process. Not really my problem if you didn't like the answer.
It's funny how "everything is chinese since it uses China-manufactured parts" and "Nintendo stole Tegra guts for the Switch and runs a custom Android-based OS" evolved to "sarcasm". Also, what does Sony/Microsoft licensing (or was it stealing? Ha ha) stuff from AMD instead of Intel has anything to do with the "White screen on Android 10 TV Box" question which was the subject of this thread and that was already answered anyway?
I highly doubt anything useful will still come out of this thread at this point, but I'm leaving it open anyway. I'm also done here, so, yeah, have fun with your unsupported set-top-box I guess?
It's hilarious how much you try to degrade me, it won't work on me because you do remind me a LOT of Trump supporters. You do sound EXACTLY like them. It's frightening because your behavior is exactly why America ALMOST lost its democracy.. Cortex is a name most people identify with when it comes to Roku and almost ALL of the retro mini consoles. Hell, the Game & Watch mini handheld even uses a Cortex processor.
You even assumed that I didn't get 4gig of RAM in which I did. And I explained EXACTLY why I came here, even pointing to countless YouTube videos all claiming that they got Dolphin to run on their android tv boxes. It's okay, reading isn't your thing.
Again, not my fault if you can't understand sarcasm which means I was half-joking.
Oh Woe is me, I can't get ONE emulator out of what, 11 different emulators/cores I've got installed on that thing to run. Sound the alarm, because the world is ending due to Dolphin not being compatible with my set top! Run for the hills! Seriously? Grow up. I can live without Dolphin on that thing. I've got it installed on my desktop PC. I'll be fine. I can always hook my tower up to my 4K TV just fine. Now go play along with your fellow knuckledragging cavemen.
Okay, I don't think there's any point in trying to continue this discussion... Thread locked.