Of course OS updates (along side browser updates) are the best defense against malware, and are kiiiind of important to have!
Speaking of updates, Dolphin's latest dev builds will not even work on Windows 7 without updates! To run on Windows 7, Dolphin needs SP1, VS2015 runtimes (hence the SP1 requirement), and the D3D11.1 update (which needs lots of smaller side updates to work). Of course, even with that update, you aren't getting all of D3D11.1's features due to its
old Windows Display Driver Model. So there are features in Dolphin
you are missing out on even if Windows 7 is fully up to date!
(11-24-2017, 09:13 AM)MayImilae Wrote: [ -> ]Of course OS updates (along side browser updates) are the best defense against malware, and are kiiiind of important to have!
Speaking of updates, Dolphin's latest dev builds will not even work on Windows 7 without updates! To run on Windows 7, Dolphin needs SP1, VS2015 runtimes (hence the SP1 requirement), and the D3D11.1 update (which needs lots of smaller side updates to work). Of course, even with that update, you aren't getting all of D3D11.1's features due to its old Windows Display Driver Model. So there are features in Dolphin you are missing out on even if Windows 7 is fully up to date!
I am using w7 and everything is working fine, now that's nice to know about d3d11.1 but I would rather miss out on a small feature and not have to put up with w10 telemetry and other stuff in there I would rather avoid.
Malware and browser stuff though you're getting far out in left field though and are talking about general computer stuff rather than "will dolphin run good" like is the intent or object of my posts.
If you want to go far left field though I could say OS updates are even less relevant if you have w10 since with w10 lots of control is taken away from you and you are not the one that decides on updates MS is and they force you to keep your OS updated riiight!
(11-24-2017, 04:14 PM)SpaceDandy Wrote: [ -> ]I would rather miss out on a small feature and not have to put up with w10 telemetry and other stuff in there I would rather avoid.
if you have w10 since with w10 lots of control is taken away from you and you are not the one that decides on updates MS is and they force you to keep your OS updated riiight!
Not that I'm an advocate for the Windows/NSA series of operating systems, but Win10 LTSB is a thing you may find interesting.
Edit: To throw my two cents on the tracks of this train of thought that is already dangerously close to de-railing: Disabling javascript is IMO the best defense against malware. Running Win7 from late 2014 with all update functionality ripped out and good performance/no malware so far running outdated versions of FF with relevant extensions that newer versions break. FF is going the way of user-spying anyway. c'est la vie.
(11-24-2017, 09:50 PM)linkdude64 Wrote: [ -> ]Not that I'm an advocate for the Windows/NSA series of operating systems, but Win10 LTSB is a thing you may find interesting.
Edit: To throw my two cents on the tracks of this train of thought that is already dangerously close to de-railing: Disabling javascript is IMO the best defense against malware. Running Win7 from late 2014 with all update functionality ripped out and good performance/no malware so far running outdated versions of FF with relevant extensions that newer versions break. FF is going the way of user-spying anyway. c'est la vie.
Quite interesting! I wasn't aware of this version of w10 and it looks interesting. I know eventually I will have switch but for now it doesn't feel very worthwhile.
I just want to point out I am not a MS hater even if I am not a fan of the direction they have taken with w10 and I enjoy talking about this and also enjoy playing the devils advocate a little.
I have found the people in this forum quite reasonable and very helpful, looking at you Helios and some others that helped me in my own thread along with people in this one, so I hope I have not insulted or come across as I have no respect for your all opinions because if that was the case I wouldn't bother replying to you all!
(04-30-2017, 08:24 PM)wiiaryapradana Wrote: [ -> ]Does Dolphin need more multicore CPU perfomance than single core?
I'am really confuse to choose Ryzen 5 1600x who's good at multicore perfomance or Intel i5 7600 who's better at single core performance 
I feel like I have hijacked your thread so just wanted to add in my experience emulators requires high ghz single or at max dual core performance.
That said if you go ryzen I think this will work well if you are able to overclock ryzen to 3.8 to 4ghz AND run ram at 3200mhz. For an intel chip the ram speed is not that important because it's all about IPC for an intel cpu.
For ryzen the ram speed is very important due to how the infinity fabric works so a high speed ram in ryzen will make a much bigger difference so if you make a ryzen build you want 3200mhz ram which maybe not be so important in an intel build.
If you're avoiding Windows 10 because of the telemetry stuff, you're probably going to need to roll back to Vista as it was backported to Windows 7 and 8/8.1. I'm pretty sure the update which did it is listed as a dependency of a bunch of security updates, too which means that you probably either have it or have malware.
The thing I mentioned earlier about OS tweaks to get the most out of Ryzen isn't specific to Windows 10 as it also happened with Linux. In fact, a bunch of the pre-Ryzen-release spec leaks listed changes AMD had submitted to the Linux kernel as their source. However, if you're talking about Windows specifically, I'm pretty sure most of the tweaks never made it to anything other than 10.
(11-24-2017, 04:14 PM)SpaceDandy Wrote: [ -> ]If you want to go far left field though I could say OS updates are even less relevant if you have w10 since with w10 lots of control is taken away from you and you are not the one that decides on updates MS is and they force you to keep your OS updated riiight!
I wouldn´t be so sure. (I´m still using build 10586... the same one that got downloaded when first upgrading to 10).
I´ve never been forced to download any updates either (like, you can just go and disable the Windows Update service using the MMC).
(11-25-2017, 01:04 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: [ -> ]If you're avoiding Windows 10 because of the telemetry stuff, you're probably going to need to roll back to Vista as it was backported to Windows 7 and 8/8.1. I'm pretty sure the update which did it is listed as a dependency of a bunch of security updates, too which means that you probably either have it or have malware.
The thing I mentioned earlier about OS tweaks to get the most out of Ryzen isn't specific to Windows 10 as it also happened with Linux. In fact, a bunch of the pre-Ryzen-release spec leaks listed changes AMD had submitted to the Linux kernel as their source. However, if you're talking about Windows specifically, I'm pretty sure most of the tweaks never made it to anything other than 10.
I am avoiding w10 for multiple reason, it's not just one thing. I don't like the way the OS was designed around telemetry, I don't like the tile phone OS look, I don't care about cortana, I really dislike the store. I just don't like it in general and can't see myself supporting an OS when I don't like the direction it is going in. Same reason why I don't buy apple products.
For my windows 7 I have a nice batch file I run now and then which disables all the telemetry they back ported to it from w10.
(11-25-2017, 06:08 AM)DJBarry004 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn´t be so sure. (I´m still using build 10586... the same one that got downloaded when first upgrading to 10).
I´ve never been forced to download any updates either (like, you can just go and disable the Windows Update service using the MMC).
Interesting, I am not looking to disable that though. I like the option to have windows let me know updates are available but not to DL them so I can then CHOOSE what updates to install and which to hide. Which is why I don't use simplix on a monthly basis (but rather only on a new install) cause I just can't be bothered to do updates manually. As far as I am aware this is not possible with w10.
Someone mentioned that my pc must be full of malware..lol I just need to say malware, viruses etc etc happen when you're not careful and can be avoided rather easily with just a little know how and experience especially if you visit streaming sites and the like. Being on one version of windows or the other isn't going to change that.
What will help lots is realizing it's not just one thing that will keep you safe and vtd free.
In a few years I will look at my OS options again and see if I want to switch to w10 or some other platform, for now for my particular needs/wants I don't see much benefit to go to w10 past having access to dx12 which is kind of moot as I can simply use Vulkan.
I don't recommend using D3D11 if you insist on Windows 7.
No matter how careful you are, an unpatched Windows build is still vulnerable. There are attacks that are only defended against by updates which don't require the user to do anything, except just be on the same network as another infected or intentionally malicious machine. This is less of a concern for desktop computers which are behind NAT, but for laptops that are taken to public places and connected to public WiFi, it would be very surprising if they weren't infected. Even if you are behind NAT, if your home router isn't up to date it's possible for some models to have control taken from outside the local network. If this happens to you, then once again, I'd be very surprised if your machine wasn't infected.
I get the impression that in your case specifically, your machine is kept up to date in terms of patches, even if you are still using an OS that isn't the latest, so you should be safe from the paragraph above. You're going to have to do something by the 4th January 2020, though, as that's when the security patches for Windows 7 will stop.
Excellent (if off-topic) thread, everyone!
If the comment about malware was directed toward me, I would have to agree to the possibility, though with a familiarity of the running processes on a clean Win7 machine, as well as having network monitoring tools and firewall safeguards in place, I would be surprised if network traffic was getting in or out without me noticing.
Ditto the comments about Ryzen and memory performance - the Ryzen build I have purchased but yet to assemble is a 1600x (meaning 4.0Ghz is within factory specs, but TDP will be lower than the 1800X, leaving more room for that "boost") paired with GSkill FlareX 3200Mhz/14-14-14-34 timings, and a RX 580 8GB. I am hoping for noticably improved performance in Dolphin to my current i5 760 and Radeon 6970 1GB.
Helios, when you were recommending against D11 on Win7, did you mean to imply the Vulkan backend would be superior on that OS? I was hoping I would be able to use Vulkan on W7, but if not, I will likely "upgrade" to Win10 LTSB, or, if I'm feeling adventurous, use virtualization to get Win10 in a VM with GPU passthrough (an interesting challenge with Ryzen, currently) and then use Vulkan from there.
Thank you to all moderators and other contributors in this thread. Taking a step back, it is incredible what the developers have accomplished, and in turn, what you all have managed to make accessible to everyone.