(04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]With atom runs dolphin slower than any arm device out there if you've read my other post in other threads I said that the reason dolphin runs slow on Intel processors is due to there not being an x86 jit recompiler only an arm and just because you guys say atom isn't good doesn't mean shit! I'm just saying to not say that anything isn't good as if its a fact also I'm not sure where you got that atom running dolphin better than arm from because its not true at all,
Dolphin on Android simply doesn't have the x86-64 JIT available due to the JIT's lack of PIC support, which is a hard requirement on Android. I'm talking more about a non-Android device comparison, e.g. a Nvidia Shield Tablet and... whatever the latest awesome Atom tablet is, both running Linux distros instead so that both JITs are available.
(04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]PC specs doesn't even matter half the time its the emulator that is wrong at times, I'm just saying atom is good when it comes to running dolphin it just needs to be more compatible with dolphin to get any good speed from it but if you look at the dell venue 8 pro or Asus t100 videos running dolphin games they run them pretty well at decent enough speeds.
Two things that make absolutely zero sense, bolded for ease of reading. Not only do these statements make zero sense on their own, but first you're blaming the emulator, then you're blaming the CPU for not being "more compatible"? Which point are you trying to argue?
(04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]I dont need to read anything because I am learning more and more naturally everyday I'm on these internet devices
No, you really do need to read in-depth architectural analyses of the damned chips you're arguing about if you want anyone to take you seriously. You can't absorb benchmark results through osmosis.
(04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]but you obviously need to learn how to NOT take nearly 20 minutes to post something, seriously I walked my dog around my whole block and came back and there was still no reply yet.
The fact that you're not taking 20 minutes to actually think through what you're saying (let alone correct your spelling/grammar) is a baaaad sign.
(04-12-2015, 02:28 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you so much for replying in such a civilized way and not going off and saying crap like oh you know nothing and oh your ignorant.
I'm only 15 and I have A LOT to learn but your post gave me a better understanding of the way Intel processors are.
Again, if you want to learn stuff about processors, do more reading, ja?
(04-12-2015, 02:52 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wyVh-3jGhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyemjQ-FQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6jdEUA-z5k
There you go.
Yeah, none of these are managing full speed in-game. At least two of them are also using old versions of Dolphin (SVN r6002, really?).
Those videos don't really prove me wrong - the first is running at barely 75% speed, the second is about 50%, the third is barely watchable. Plus they're all gamecube games and none of them are the t100, so how does that answer what I asked you?
Wow this continued for quite a while. I gave up on atom after 2 posts , once he brought up A8X and Denver and I promptly stopped giving a s**t about atom because it's not worth that effort. But another 20 posts later and sonic dude is still going. Man I love Internet forums.
(04-12-2015, 03:00 AM)pauldacheez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]With atom runs dolphin slower than any arm device out there if you've read my other post in other threads I said that the reason dolphin runs slow on Intel processors is due to there not being an x86 jit recompiler only an arm and just because you guys say atom isn't good doesn't mean shit! I'm just saying to not say that anything isn't good as if its a fact also I'm not sure where you got that atom running dolphin better than arm from because its not true at all,
Dolphin on Android simply doesn't have the x86-64 JIT available due to the JIT's lack of PIC support, which is a hard requirement on Android. I'm talking more about a non-Android device comparison, e.g. a Nvidia Shield Tablet and... whatever the latest awesome Atom tablet is, both running Linux distros instead so that both JITs are available.
(04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]PC specs doesn't even matter half the time its the emulator that is wrong at times, I'm just saying atom is good when it comes to running dolphin it just needs to be more compatible with dolphin to get any good speed from it but if you look at the dell venue 8 pro or Asus t100 videos running dolphin games they run them pretty well at decent enough speeds.
Two things that make absolutely zero sense, bolded for ease of reading. Not only do these statements make zero sense on their own, but first you're blaming the emulator, then you're blaming the CPU for not being "more compatible"? Which point are you trying to argue?
(04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]I dont need to read anything because I am learning more and more naturally everyday I'm on these internet devices
No, you really do need to read in-depth architectural analyses of the damned chips you're arguing about if you want anyone to take you seriously. You can't absorb benchmark results through osmosis.
(04-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]but you obviously need to learn how to NOT take nearly 20 minutes to post something, seriously I walked my dog around my whole block and came back and there was still no reply yet.
The fact that you're not taking 20 minutes to actually think through what you're saying (let alone correct your spelling/grammar) is a baaaad sign.
(04-12-2015, 02:28 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you so much for replying in such a civilized way and not going off and saying crap like oh you know nothing and oh your ignorant.
I'm only 15 and I have A LOT to learn but your post gave me a better understanding of the way Intel processors are.
Again, if you want to learn stuff about processors, do more reading, ja?
(04-12-2015, 02:52 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wyVh-3jGhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyemjQ-FQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6jdEUA-z5k
There you go.
Yeah, none of these are managing full speed in-game. At least two of them are also using old versions of Dolphin (SVN r6002, really?).
Wow thank you grammar Nazi !!!!! Also I never said that they're running it in full speed but at decent speeds?, and yes because running older dolphin versions is bad you just can't handle the fact that I gave three videos showing an Intel atom device running dolphin and the games at a satisfactory speed just fly away and eat some more "cheeze" (since grammar matters so much).
Either grow up or shut up, please.
(04-12-2015, 03:03 AM)tueidj Wrote: [ -> ]Those videos don't really prove me wrong - the first is running at barely 75% speed, the second is about 50%, the third is barely watchable. Plus they're all gamecube games and none of them are the t100, so how does that answer what I asked you?
I said that device because ita running dolphin at a somewhat fair speed its slow but its good also that's a Wii game even the k1 can run nsmbwii at a decent speed I'm not saying atom can run things full speed but it can sure run things decently enough.
(04-12-2015, 03:07 AM)tueidj Wrote: [ -> ]Either grow up or shut up, please.
What you need to do is grow up and accept peoples opinions after nintinito said the atom was good you kept implying that it wasn't as if what your saying is a fact which it clearly isn't just keep watching those video ight.
(04-12-2015, 03:09 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]I said that device because ita running dolphin at a somewhat fair speed its slow but its good also that's a Wii game even the k1 can run nsmbwii at a decent speed I'm not saying atom can run things full speed but it can sure run things decently enough.
Full speed with enhancements (increased resolution, AA etc.) = Good.
Full speed at original resolution = Ok, but may as well use a real wii.
Below full speed = Bad, stuttery audio and a frustrating experience.
This is why it's wrong to call an Atom "good".
(04-12-2015, 03:14 AM)tueidj Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2015, 03:09 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ]I said that device because ita running dolphin at a somewhat fair speed its slow but its good also that's a Wii game even the k1 can run nsmbwii at a decent speed I'm not saying atom can run things full speed but it can sure run things decently enough.
Full speed with enhancements (increased resolution, AA etc.) = Good.
Full speed at original resolution = Ok, but may as well use a real wii.
Below full speed = Bad, stuttery audio and a frustrating experience.
This is why it's wrong to call an Atom "good".
Okay but atom isn't the only processor that runs dolphin and has those issues every processor isn't going to be able to run a program or game full speed., also those videos Kirby is playable but the sound is the issue Mario kart is good enough and Mario sunshine is watchable but a little slow so you guys need to stop making it sound like these games are unplayable.
Point is atom is good for dolphin.
(04-12-2015, 03:09 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2015, 03:03 AM)tueidj Wrote: [ -> ]Those videos don't really prove me wrong - the first is running at barely 75% speed, the second is about 50%, the third is barely watchable. Plus they're all gamecube games and none of them are the t100, so how does that answer what I asked you?
I said that device because ita running dolphin at a somewhat fair speed its slow but its good also that's a Wii game even the k1 can run nsmbwii at a decent speed I'm not saying atom can run things full speed but it can sure run things decently enough.
(04-12-2015, 03:07 AM)tueidj Wrote: [ -> ]Either grow up or shut up, please.
What you need to do is grow up and accept peoples opinions after nintinito said the atom was good you kept implying that it wasn't as if what your saying is a fact which it clearly isn't just keep watching those video ight.
No you really need to shut the f**k up. You change your damn stance every other post and reword things every time someone calls your opinionated BS. Do some damn research on things before you start sprouting aggressive comments and telling everyone on here how they are somehow wrong. They've posted plenty of links to help you learn, but instead you insist that you somehow acquired this knowledge though voodoo GPU Magic, and have insisted on wasting everyone's time (although debatably it's worth it for the entertainment it provides that certain mobile JIT developer).
If you think that's good I'd hate to see what you consider bad.