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After seeing how Super Smash Brothers Wii U looks significantly more aliased than I expected on a friends 60 inch Samsung TV (30ms average display-lag bleh!) I'm now VERY interested in playing emulated games in 4K.

Sure, I may already have a decent dedicated emulation PC built, however (on top of not having HDMI 2.0 support) my Nvidia 750 ti can play a few games @ x5 internal resolution so I'm really considering getting the newly released Nvidia gtx 960 over the gtx 970 due to the significant price difference...

...that said, if what I've read is true, therefore the gtx 960 really is the equivalent of 2 gtx 750 ti's; I should just stick with that right?

BUT! There are other things to consider.

Apparently a gtx 960 Ti is in the works maybe, perhaps, we'll see... which could be useful considering playing Super Mario Sunshine in 60fps really stresses out my lowly 750 Ti at only x3 resolution (x2.5 IR on the other hand has 10/10 consistent frame-rate, even when using the jet pack at Bianco Hills, zoomed all the way out, 16:9 widescreen patch, the works )!

The way I see it, more and more people are going to be coming out with these 60fps patches which *surprise surprise* really taxes both processors. At the moment the only processor I'm concerned with replacing is my GPU soooooo basically, all I want to ask this community is:

Is the gtx 960 worth buying for x6 - x5 internal resolution on everything[color=#999933]*[/color], 60fps patch or otherwise? Or should I just wait a while for a gtx 960 Ti to come about?

Technically I'm trying to get the 1 human being out there that owns a gtx 960 and has tested how it handles x6 IR in saaaaay... I don't know... F-Zero GX, to give me results of any description so I can judge this potential purchase with some really solid info. backing it. Thanks

My one fear with the gtx 960 is that no graphics card manufacturer makes one with 3gb of vram or more which may be useful when it comes to Dolphin, but it also may not which is of course why waiting for a more advanced 960 with (I can only imagine) more than 2gb of vram would be a smart idea.

[color=#999933]*[/color]Name any "quality" Gamecube / Wii game that is considered half-playable by the wiki and you'd better believe I have plans to play it.

Quote:gtx 960 and has tested how it handles x6 IR

Not gonna happen . The maximum IR it can handle is 4xIR
Each GPC is accompanied by a 64-bit memory controller bus, the reduction would mean the GeForce GTX 960 will only have a 128-bit wide graphics memory bus.
128 bit for $200 price range ? You got to be kidding Nvidia . R9 280 has 384 bit wide graphics memory bus
Not to mention the memory bandwidth , 112GB/sec is a joke . Just take a look at GTX 760 or 660's specs (almost twice as much)
Base on linus's review , GTX 960 is a let down . When Nvidia announce GTX 970 , it's faster than GTX 780 . GTX 960 failed to deliver higher performance than GTX 770 (Bah , GTX 770 totally crush GTX 960)
I would keep that GTX 750 ti if i was you , GTX 960 is basically GTX 850 Ti !

Quote:Apparently a gtx 960 Ti is in the works maybe, perhaps, we'll see... which could be useful considering playing Super Mario Sunshine in 60fps really stresses out my lowly 750 Ti at only x3 resolution

Overclock your CPU to 4.4GHz , I'm sure you will be able to run most games at 4xIR

Wrong wrong wrong sooooo wrong. How many times has Natural Violence said the memery bandwith thing was wrong?

What is so wrong about it ?
Natural Violence is no god . No matter what he said , 112GB/sec and 128 bit bus are epic fail
Would you really buy GTX 960 if you were him ? GTX 960 can't handle 6xIR without a doubt

(02-06-2015, 03:18 PM)admin89 Wrote: [ -> ]GTX 960 failed to deliver higher performance than GTX 770 (Bah , GTX 770 totally crush GTX 960)

That's kind of irrelevant considering that the 770 is 1.5-2 times the price of the 960. If it were designed to outperform the 770 it wouldn't be $200.

(02-06-2015, 10:57 PM)admin89 Wrote: [ -> ]What is so wrong about it ?
Natural Violence  is no god . No matter what he said ,  112GB/sec and 128 bit bus are epic fail
Would you really buy GTX 960 if you were him ? GTX 960 can't handle 6xIR without a doubt

He was the one who started the Memory Bandwidth rumor. Duh. Plus the GTX 960 was meant to succeed the GTX 660. The GTX 980 succeeded the GTX 770/680. 

(02-06-2015, 03:18 PM)admin89 Wrote: [ -> ]Overclock your CPU to 4.4GHz , I'm sure you will be able to run most games at 4xIR

I'm aware that increasing the internal resolution of any pc game uses a little more of the CPU but from what I understand we aren't talking about the game using 20% more of the CPU going from 1080p to 1440p or anything crazy like that.... right?

To test for myself just to get some definite closure I monitored both processors to see their usage when the slow down occurs in Sunshine @ 60fps:

Starting off with the scene being rendered at [color=#993333]x2.5[/color] IR:

Then when I bump it up [color=#993333]x4[/color] IR, this happens:

I've also checked my CPU's status with Windows Task Manager and that too showed that there was next to no difference in CPU usage from x2.5 IR to x4 IR, but I've been told Core Temp and GPU-z were pretty darn accurate anyway.

This is not to disregard what you said, in fact, this clearly shows that it's not the GPU that's bottle-necking me after all, yet I still would like to know what the heck is throttling my CPU?? ...because it doesn't seem like it's something Core Temp can detect.

[color=#cc6633]UPDATE:[/color] I've just checked to see if my CPU would bottleneck me in 3 other games if I forced the frame-rate to 120: Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon Collsuseum, and Wind Waker, using the same programs I used above, and sure enough, in all 3 cases it turned out to be VERY clear that my GPU was throttling things this time around; at least at x4 IR. Although in all cases just setting the IR to x3 (even with FXAA) turned out to bring my GPU usage from 95-88% to 85-68%ish (I'm honestly only remembering Wind Wakers usage but the others were pretty close to this).

So with ^that^ having been discovered I'm even-more-so set on getting a new GPU with HDMI 2.0 support so that at the very least those 3 games won't have issues at x4 resolution assuming a 60 fps patch is ever found for them.

If the rumors of a gtx 960 Ti are to be believed I'm still going to hold onto my gtx 750 Ti due to me needing a card that supports HDMI 2.0 for 4k 60hz on the HDTV I've got my eye on and considering that the gtx 970 is definitely an overkill card even if I do plan on playing the Metriod Prime games at x6 IR (+the price is around that of the gtx 770 I just bought several months ago for my PC gaming rig...); so oh yes, a middle-ground gtx 960 Ti kinda card with a memory bus around 256-bit sold for about $240-265USD would be very much appreciated, thanks in advance Nvidia

Quote:Windows Task Manager
GPU usage
CPU usage

Doesn't matter
https://dolphin-emu.org/docs/faq/#which-cpu-should-i-use
Keep in mind Dolphin is a dual core app . No matter how fast your CPU is , it will never be enough
If you're not ready for CPU overclocking then just underclock your CPU to 3.2GHz via thottlestop and benchmark Dolphin again .
Dolphin is completely different to PC games . If you really have GPU bottleneck in PC games , CPU overclocking or underclocking will not affect the overall FPS
CPU overclocking will increase your FPS in Dolphin
Btw GTX 260 was tested with the most graphic demanding SMG and it can handle 4xIR . GTX 750 Ti is superior to GTX 260...

(02-07-2015, 05:25 AM)shreduhsoreus Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-06-2015, 03:18 PM)admin89 Wrote: [ -> ]When Nvidia announce GTX 970 , it's faster than GTX 780 . GTX 960 failed to deliver higher performance than GTX 770 (Bah , GTX 770 totally crush GTX 960)

That's kind of irrelevant considering that the 770 is 1.5-2 times the price of the 960. If it were designed to outperform the 770 it wouldn't be $200.

GTX 780 cost twice as much as GTX 970 !!!

(02-07-2015, 01:36 PM)admin89 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2015, 05:25 AM)shreduhsoreus Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-06-2015, 03:18 PM)admin89 Wrote: [ -> ]GTX 960 failed to deliver higher performance than GTX 770 (Bah , GTX 770 totally crush GTX 960)

That's kind of irrelevant considering that the 770 is 1.5-2 times the price of the 960. If it were designed to outperform the 770 it wouldn't be $200.

GTX 780 cost twice as much as GTX 970 !!!

The GTX 970 isn't meant to replace the GTX 780. It's meant to replace the GTX 670