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Neither of you is using broad enough data sources to back up your claims.  Let me try and end this now.

GTX 980 vs r9 290x
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1056?vs=1351

It ranges from no difference at all to a very substantial difference depending on the game.  At higher resolutions the difference tends to shrink due to the increased memory bandwidth requirements.  So you're both right in a way.

I would not get the 980 personally due to the extremely high cost.  But it is definitely the better card.

GTX 970 vs r9 290x
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1056?vs=1355

They trade blows.  In 1/3 of the games they're equal, in 1/3 the 970 wins slightly, and in 1/3 the 290x wins slightly.  Higher resolutions tend to favor the 290x more, although not always.  Again because of the increased memory bandwidth requirements.

Here in the states their cost is similar.  The 970 costs around $10 more on average ($360 vs $350) so the 290x is slightly more cost efficient.  But the difference is so small that I say get which ever brand you prefer.

With current prices on newegg the r9 290 seems like the best choice for someone aiming at $275+ and the r9 285 or gtx 960 for someone aiming at $200-250.  These three cards together are nearly tied for the best performance per dollar crown.

As for which is the best for dolphin?  Impossible to say.  We have no GPU benchmarking data to use.  I asked around on irc and some of the devs said they believed dolphin is more ALU bound on most cards.  But none of them had any hard data to back this up outside their own testing on one set of hardware so it must be treated as an educated guess for now.

DatKid20 Wrote:Who pays $200 for the same expirence? Fanboys.

This has nothing to do with brand loyalty/fanboys and you're missing the point.  It is the better card, unquestionably.  The only real questions are "by how much?" and "is it worth the extra cost?".  The answers to those questions depends on the game, the settings, and how much spare cash you have.  Both brands have always had high end cards that are much more expensive than the next card down in the lineup yet only very slightly faster.  These products are designed to appeal to those who will pay any price to get the absolute best performance.  Basically rich people.  If that weren't the case nobody would ever buy any video card above $400.  But as long as I can remember both AMD/ATI and nvidia have put out cards like these and people have bought them for that reason.  It has nothing to do with being a fanboy and everything to do with your priorities.  If you care only about performance and not about money these cards exist for you.

I'm probably going to comb through this thread more thoroughly tomorrow now that your arguments have caught my attention. Maybe I'll be able to find some more useful data in the meantime.
I guess this is what people call clearly better.


Oh and by the way that's DX 11 not Mantle.

At 4K The GTX 980 isn't clearly better at all.
Okay, I'm just going to bring this out here now, but I DO play quite a few number of steam games. They aren't the most graphically intensive games, but I do wish to play them in 4K as well.

I also forgot to mention that I do use Photoshop, Blender, and a few other intensive programs. (The reason why I'm using 16gb of Ram.)

Lastly, anyone recommend a good motherboard to go with my 4790k? I plan on doing some serious overclocking, and want to get the bang for my buck.
Either Asrock Z97 Extreme 4 or MSI Z97 G45 will do
Quote: I plan on doing some serious overclocking
Then you must give this thread a look
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-guarrenteed-cpu-overclocks
What is the silicon lottery ?

When chip manufacturers like Intel, TSMC, UMC, GF, etc. make wafers, there are slight variations in material quality across the wafer surface, there are local variations in how the lithography, metal vapor deposition, photoresist chemical deposition, etc. are done and this can yield a significant contrast between how good the best chip of a given batch will perform vs how bad the worst chip of the same batch will perform.

To maximize profit, chip manufacturers test and sort chips based on various criteria such as leakage current, power draw at key frequencies, salvageable defects, etc. to decide which product range the chips fit best in. That's binning.

When you buy "K-chips", you are playing the lottery: you are guaranteed a chip that performs at least up to stock K-chip standard but you have absolutely no way to know beforehand how much farther beyond that your specific chip can go under any given circumstances beyond stock conditions. That's the chip lottery. Some i5/i7 3xxxK/4xxxK may max out at 4.2GHz while others may hit 5GHz. Some may require 60W@1.2V to get to a given clock rate while others may require 100W@1.35V.
(02-01-2015, 06:21 PM)admin89 Wrote: [ -> ]Either Asrock Z97 Extreme 4 or MSI Z97 G45 will do

Quote: I plan on doing some serious overclocking
Then you must give this thread a look
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-guarrenteed-cpu-overclocks
What is the silicon lottery ?

When chip manufacturers like Intel, TSMC, UMC, GF, etc. make wafers, there are slight variations in material quality across the wafer surface, there are local variations in how the lithography, metal vapor deposition, photoresist chemical deposition, etc. are done and this can yield a significant contrast between how good the best chip of a given batch will perform vs how bad the worst chip of the same batch will perform.

To maximize profit, chip manufacturers test and sort chips based on various criteria such as leakage current, power draw at key frequencies, salvageable defects, etc. to decide which product range the chips fit best in. That's binning.

When you buy "K-chips", you are playing the lottery: you are guaranteed a chip that performs at least up to stock K-chip standard but you have absolutely no way to know beforehand how much farther beyond that your specific chip can go under any given circumstances beyond stock conditions. That's the chip lottery. Some i5/i7 3xxxK/4xxxK may max out at 4.2GHz while others may hit 5GHz. Some may require 60W@1.2V to get to a given clock rate while others may require 100W@1.35V.
I actually saw this post the other day, and it certainly gave me interest on it. The only thing that I wasn't sure of was how the motherboard affected the overclock in those tests. From what I've seen, they are tested on an Asus Maximus VII Formula, which is a very good Z97 motherboard. If I did buy one of their CPU's, If I used a different motherboard, would I get a different overclock?
Quote:If I did buy one of their CPU's, If I used a different motherboard, would I get a different overclock?
Depending on the situation , your experience in overclocking , the result may vary
Asrock Z87 Extreme 4 and MSI Z87 G45 were tested by Dolphin Users , they did get good results (For Example : i5 4670k @ 4.6GHz on MSI Z87 G45 , keep in mind that i5 4670k is not Devil Canyon like i5 4690k or i7 4790k )
@Anyoldname is a lucky dude who won the silicon lottery
i5 4670k rarely get any higher than 4.4GHz ...
(02-01-2015, 06:03 PM)Sweezy Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, I'm just going to bring this out here now, but I DO play quite a few number of steam games. They aren't the most graphically intensive games, but I do wish to play them in 4K as well.
List them? That will help us pick the better value for you.

(02-01-2015, 07:03 PM)Sweezy Wrote: [ -> ]I actually saw this post the other day, and it certainly gave me interest on it. The only thing that I wasn't sure of was how the motherboard affected the overclock in those tests. From what I've seen, they are tested on an Asus Maximus VII Formula, which is a very good Z97 motherboard. If I did buy one of their CPU's, If I used a different motherboard, would I get a different overclock?
You will get (slightly) different results as every motherboard is different (they list some generic info on their page for this). If you want to just set it up according to the specs and play then grab the same motherboard, otherwise you'll likely have to do some tweaking. You really don't need such an expensive motherboard imo unless you're an enthusiast that wants it for some reason.
(02-02-2015, 12:54 AM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-01-2015, 06:03 PM)Sweezy Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, I'm just going to bring this out here now, but I DO play quite a few number of steam games. They aren't the most graphically intensive games, but I do wish to play them in 4K as well.
List them? That will help us pick the better value for you.


(02-01-2015, 07:03 PM)Sweezy Wrote: [ -> ]I actually saw this post the other day, and it certainly gave me interest on it. The only thing that I wasn't sure of was how the motherboard affected the overclock in those tests. From what I've seen, they are tested on an Asus Maximus VII Formula, which is a very good Z97 motherboard. If I did buy one of their CPU's, If I used a different motherboard, would I get a different overclock?
You will get (slightly) different results as every motherboard is different (they list some generic info on their page for this). If you want to just set it up according to the specs and play then grab the same motherboard, otherwise you'll likely have to do some tweaking. You really don't need such an expensive motherboard imo unless you're an enthusiast that wants it for some reason.

Well, a few games would include, Among The Sleep, The Forest, Sonic All Star Racing. But I was hoping to get into other games that really require a good GPU for example Bioshock: Infinite, Crysis 3, Far Cry 4 and so on.

As for the motherboard, I don't want to buy something that I might regret. I wouldn't want to get that "I could have gotten more from the XXXX motherboard. But I know I can always upgrade in the future, but it's just an idea.
(02-01-2015, 06:03 PM)Sweezy Wrote: [ -> ]I also forgot to mention that I do use Photoshop, Blender, and a few other intensive programs. (The reason why I'm using 16gb of Ram.)

I'm assuming you'll want CUDA for Cycles, then. That kind of forces you to go for an nVidia GPU. It's night and day versus CPU rendering, and might well be worth the cost bump to the 980 if you're using it a lot.
(02-02-2015, 02:57 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-01-2015, 06:03 PM)Sweezy Wrote: [ -> ]I also forgot to mention that I do use Photoshop, Blender, and a few other intensive programs. (The reason why I'm using 16gb of Ram.)

I'm assuming you'll want CUDA for Cycles, then. That kind of forces you to go for an nVidia GPU. It's night and day versus CPU rendering, and might well be worth the cost bump to the 980 if you're using it a lot.

Yep. If it's for Blender I would just get a Nvidia GPU instead of waiting for Cycles/AMD to get better OpenCL support. (Intel actually has the best OpenCL support for whatever reason.)
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