He's referring to
this (it's also built-in in Raptr if you want that installed). It basically works the same as Shadowplay, but AMDs solution is afaik less efficient. Still useful though for when you need the CPU power.
Also looking at OPs YouTube channel, he does play PC games where his GPU purchase is so worth it over the 750Ti.
(12-03-2014, 03:24 AM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]He's referring to this (it's also built-in in Raptr if you want that installed). It basically works the same as Shadowplay, but AMDs solution is afaik less efficient. Still useful though for when you need the CPU power.
Also looking at OPs YouTube channel, he does play PC games where his GPU purchase is so worth it over the 750Ti.
#DRAGONAGEINQUISITION
On a side note, thank you guys for replying to that. I didn't want to go offtopic, as the point of the thread wasn't to argue over amd vs nvidia, but to instead show that I did see a dramatic increase from upgrading the gpu despite being told that I would see minimal performance increases.
(12-03-2014, 07:29 AM)rlaugh0095 Wrote: [ -> ]On a side note, thank you guys for replying to that. I didn't want to go offtopic, as the point of the thread wasn't to argue over amd vs nvidia
Well it's your thread, your rules mostly, but if you feel like things are getting (too) off-topic in any (of your) other thread(s) then feel free to report the offending posts with an appropriate message (off-topic) and we'll handle things.
Quote:but to instead show that I did see a dramatic increase from upgrading the gpu despite being told that I would see minimal performance increases.
Minimal performance increase for Dolphin or in general? If you wanted to play with a high IR with lots of AA then there should be quite a difference.
But you're the one who can accurately tell your observations since you upgraded.
Poor OP, seems like you weren't prepared for the massive fanboy debates that happen on the internet over graphics cards lol.
IMO, not a bad purchase at all. I own the HD 7950 (AMD) and I think the GTX970 is certainly a good pickup.
Lots of things you can do with both vendors, but Nvidia is a more complete package (and you pay for that package too with Nvidia's markup).
I'd work on upgrading that FX-6300 next! Such a great graphics card deserves at least an i5-4690k
Trust me, that's an exaggeration on the R9 270 performance too. I can not hit 6x IR smoothly on every area of SMG. I had to drop to 3x IR to ensure I could be smooth in every level as some levels are more demanding than others.
GTX 970 was a great pickup, don't let anyone tell you otherwise (in terms of total package of a card and not just raw performance).
Personally, I'm going to wait to see AMD's competitor which comes by the end of Q1 next year. Will mean lower prices on the GTX 970 most likely and I want to have a choice (R9 290x vs GTX 970 isn't a choice to me since I NEED HDMI 2.0.)
Leaning towards Nvidia due to DSR (if this is so simple to setup why doesn't AMD just build it into their own drivers?), and better OpenGL support for Dolphin along with just the fact Nvidia has more money to throw around. Only thing holding me back is Kepler is basically abandoned in new games (GTX 780Ti performing far below it's actual raw output) and if Nvidia is going to simply wait a month before releasing decent performing drivers for new games on their last year architecture that's just not worth it to me.
I want the GTX 980Ti, I just don't like how Nvidia treats their consumers (I love how they are from a business standpoint though. If I was going to invest my money, Nvidia knows how to milk their customers for every single penny).
(12-03-2014, 08:04 AM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2014, 07:29 AM)rlaugh0095 Wrote: [ -> ]On a side note, thank you guys for replying to that. I didn't want to go offtopic, as the point of the thread wasn't to argue over amd vs nvidia
Well it's your thread, your rules mostly, but if you feel like things are getting (too) off-topic in any (of your) other thread(s) then feel free to report the offending posts with an appropriate message (off-topic) and we'll handle things.
Quote:but to instead show that I did see a dramatic increase from upgrading the gpu despite being told that I would see minimal performance increases.
Minimal performance increase for Dolphin or in general? If you wanted to play with a high IR with lots of AA then there should be quite a difference.
But you're the one who can accurately tell your observations since you upgraded.
In dolphin. In my last thread I made on the topic, everyone made it out like I would see a small speed up, when I myself am seeing a huge difference. Everything in 1080p is playable for me now!
4k is like what my fps was like at 1080 before if that makes since.
Oh and I dont really care about a thread derailing if no one else does. o.o
I have a bad reputation on other forums about derailing threads by going off on tangents.
(12-03-2014, 02:47 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure you got the name for whatever that is quite right
It's Open Encode VFW
EDIT: Fixed.
(12-03-2014, 09:57 AM)tential Wrote: [ -> ]Trust me, that's an exaggeration on the R9 270 performance too. I can not hit 6x IR smoothly on every area of SMG. I had to drop to 3x IR to ensure I could be smooth in every level as some levels are more demanding than others.
It's not an exaggeration, but quite the opposite - an
underestimation of its performance.
I wonder how much more performance you can squeeze out of this puppy if it's not bottlenecked by a relatively slow CPU and an old-school PCI-E 2.0 slot. Say, a modern Haswell Core i5 CPU and a MB with a x16 PCI-E 3.0 slot...
More mystery, drama and suspense awaits in Chapter II of this epic post (LOL)... Read on
#1:
Strange, but true - sometimes a budget GPU can outperform a much more expensive one. Especially if the cheap GPU is composed of fewer cores that run at much higher clock speeds, so the per-core performance and pixel throughput increases greatly.
Believe it or not - the R9 270 non-X, when overclocked (to 1150/1500) craps over your relatively expensive HD7950 when it comes to pure pixel-pushing performance.
With a whopping 37 GPixels/sec., it has 45% higher pixel throughput than the HD7950 (!)
Combine that pixel pushing power , the ample amount of memory bandwidth (192 GB/sec.), the strong integer calculation performance and you can see why it can easily run Dolphin at 7xIR at stock clocks (or even up to 8xIR when overclocked).
#2:
For optimal performance, adjust your GPU driver and Dolphin settings with the help of the AMD/ATI GPU Performance Guide:
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-amd-ati-gpu-performance-guide
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(12-03-2014, 09:17 PM)kirbypuff Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2014, 02:47 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure you got the name for whatever that is quite right
It's Open Encode VFW
EDIT: Fixed.
(12-03-2014, 09:57 AM)tential Wrote: [ -> ]Trust me, that's an exaggeration on the R9 270 performance too. I can not hit 6x IR smoothly on every area of SMG. I had to drop to 3x IR to ensure I could be smooth in every level as some levels are more demanding than others.
It's not an exaggeration, but quite the opposite - an underestimation of its performance.
I wonder how much more performance you can squeeze out of this puppy if it's not bottlenecked by a relatively slow CPU and an old-school PCI-E 2.0 slot. Say, a modern Haswell Core i5 CPU and a MB with a x16 PCI-E 3.0 slot...
More mystery, drama and suspense awaits in Chapter II of this epic post (LOL)... Read on
#1:
Strange, but true - sometimes a budget GPU can outperform a much more expensive one. Especially if the cheap GPU is composed of fewer cores that run at much higher clock speeds, so the per-core performance and pixel throughput increases greatly.
Believe it or not - the R9 270 non-X, when overclocked (to 1150/1500) craps over your relatively expensive HD7950 when it comes to pure pixel-pushing performance.
With a whopping 37 GPixels/sec., it has 45% higher pixel throughput than the HD7950 (!)
Combine that pixel pushing power , the ample amount of memory bandwidth (192 GB/sec.), the strong integer calculation performance and you can see why it can easily run Dolphin at 7xIR at stock clocks (or even up to 8xIR when overclocked).
#2:
For optimal performance, you also need the right settings:
Drivers
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* Install the latest stable version - Catalyst 14.4 RC1 (not the bug-ridden 14.4 and 14.9 WHQLs) or the latest beta - Catalyst 14.11.2.
Catalyst Control Center settings
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* In 3D settings, set the Texture Filtering Quality to "Very High" and disable Surface Format Optimizations. Leave everything else at defaults.
* Disable all video playback enhancements. The only options that should be enabled are "vector adaptive deinterlacing", "pulldown detection", "ensure smooth video playback" and "apply settings to internet video".
* Unselect the option "Automatically Check for updates"
* Enable (unlock) AMD GPU Overdrive
* Set the GPU to always run in High Performance mode. This may require manual editing of an .xml file.
Windows settings
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* For improved performance and lower input latency under Windows 7, it's recommended to disable Desktop Compositing (DwM / Aero / UxSms). NOTE: This is not possible in later versions of Windows (8, 8.1 or 10).
* Use the New Task Manager (windows 8, 8.1, 10) or a third-paty app like CCleaner (Windows 7) to disable the auto-start of AMD Catalyst Control Center (CCC is an unpredictable resource hog), so it won't load on every boot. Then reboot the PC.
Dolphin settings
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* Always use the (incredibly fast) Direct3D backend. OpenGL is dog slow on AMD GPUs.
* Use "Borderless Fullscreen" instead of "Exclusive Fullscreen". The Exclusive FS implementation in Dolphin still has some nasty issues - it doesn't work every time, and when it does, it increases the CPU load / decreases performance (CPU hog).
* Do *NOT* use the "Per-Pixel Lighting" enhancement (it's a HUGE resource hog)
* It's best to leave the Anisotropic Filtering setting at default (1x). AF is USELESS at high IRs (no image quality improvement, all it does is introduce unwanted artifacts)
* If you're still experiencing unusually low performance, you should try Dolphin with VSync disabled. *Some* AMD card/driver combinations don't like this setting (there's a massive performance drop with VSync ON).
I'm perfectly willing to be proven wrong and to be told I'm not doing Dolphin correctly.
Which settings should I be aiming for under SMG2 with these improvements?
Will I see 60 FPS on the world selector with this?
Edit: Will bold the couple of settings I can't seem to find.
Vsync disabled introduces massive screen tearing for me in SMG2. I'm going to try it again with these settings once the beta drivers are installed though.
Bolded I wasn't able to do. Didn't see those options and High Performance Mode always on? My PC is on 24/7 should that really be on 24/7? Couldn't find any documentation on it since it's been removed from settings.
Preliminary Testing
So most of those changes had already been on for me. The only ones that I changed were disabling Vsync, The Driver Update (I was on 14.3), AF to 1x, The High Quality Texture Filtering, and The Surface Thing I turned off. Borderless Window was already on, I already had OC'd to 1000 mhz (didn't want to go higher without doing testing), and the ones in Bold I did not complete.
With those done, I achieved 60 FPS stable on SMG2 on world selector, and no actual screen tears. I did get a "micro stutter" here and there, but that's about it. The stutter wasn't horrible, I don't think I'd notice it most days but since I was really paying attention I did.
I had EFBScale = 9 for 6x IR. Seems to work very well, thanks a lot for the help. I'm guessing he can get a LOT more out of his GTX 970 than what he is currently trying to do. I'll have to see how other games handle this although I doubt I'll beat SMG2 anytime soon with how little I game now a day.
(12-04-2014, 07:57 AM)KHg8m3r Wrote: [ -> ]Look under part 2 of this guide to see how to put your GPU into high performance: https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-unofficial-laptop-performance-guide
That's not really relevant anymore is what I'm saying because the AMD CCC has changed. That's for mobile anyway(Although I'm sure the same would apply for desktop)
Now that setting for high performance mode has been removed from the CCC and is editable only from an settings file manually from what kirbypuff and others on other forums have posted.
What I'm wondering though is will this keep my GPU running at high clocks all the time or will it just idle at a higher clock than it normally does? My PC is also my server for my house so if keeping high performance on will also keep GPU permanently at my OC settings that's a no go for me since I can't heat my case up too much. Not with my 22TB of HDDs sitting in it. Can't risk damaging those. Need an actual server for them but it'll run me $1k so been holding off on the purchase.
Currently though, I'm not having an issue with my GPU leaving high performance mode (GPU clocks dropping to idle clocks) when in Dolphin games but would like to know how High PErformance mode actually works currently.