There are no cheaper versions of the 4130 (I think, I'm still not clear on this after having it shoved down my throat by the daily "Haswell is better than Ivy" lecture); it is the cheapest variant. The 4130 will not play all games at full speed (no processor can play ALL games full speed), but, if you have a "popular" collection (likely, since you live in Canada, and rarer games are very hard to come by, very easy to miss, and very difficult to pay for in this beautiful, beautiful superior-to-all-others country), then the only one of your games that you won't be able to play at almost constant full speed is Twilight Princess. Upgrade to an i5 (namely, 4670), and you will be able to play almost all games constant full speed, excluding a few (Twilight Princess included).
(04-29-2014, 01:50 PM)kinkinkijkin Wrote: [ -> ]There are no cheaper versions of the 4130 (I think, I'm still not clear on this after having it shoved down my throat by the daily "Haswell is better than Ivy" lecture); it is the cheapest variant. The 4130 will not play all games at full speed (no processor can play ALL games full speed), but, if you have a "popular" collection (likely, since you live in Canada, and rarer games are very hard to come by, very easy to miss, and very difficult to pay for in this beautiful, beautiful superior-to-all-others country), then the only one of your games that you won't be able to play at almost constant full speed is Twilight Princess. Upgrade to an i5 (namely, 4670), and you will be able to play almost all games constant full speed, excluding a few (Twilight Princess included).
Hold on, what? I'm so confused now.
Okay, no cheaper variant, all right. But what about not being able to play games? Are you saying I can play Twilight Princess, or no? What games CAN I play at full speed? Is there a list somewhere, like the list Daedalus has for their emulator?
There's the wiki. Just look for each of the games you wish to play on the wiki.
And, well, you CAN get a cheaper Haswell than the cheapest i3, but you have no hyperthreading and no L3. Also, if you go too far with it (celeron), then you lose most of your cache size and are on one core. I'd recommend a really high Haswell Pentium if you can't afford the cheapest Haswell i3, but I don't know which one it is. Pentium has too many strange numbers for my head.
(04-29-2014, 02:10 PM)kinkinkijkin Wrote: [ -> ]There's the wiki. Just look for each of the games you wish to play on the wiki.
And, well, you CAN get a cheaper Haswell than the cheapest i3, but you have no hyperthreading and no L3. Also, if you go too far with it (celeron), then you lose most of your cache size and are on one core. I'd recommend a really high Haswell Pentium if you can't afford the cheapest Haswell i3, but I don't know which one it is. Pentium has too many strange numbers for my head.
Question, is there an AMD cpu that's like the i3-4130? I can get a cheaper mobo that way, and save money.
After reading these threads for months the one thing repeated is Haswell CPU. If you can wait until early June you can pick up a cheap over clockable Pentium anniversary chip that will work with discounted 8 series motherboards (new 9 series are coming out soon). However, many next gen games will require 4 cores. Dolphin = dual core, high single threads, low gpu. Next gen games = quad core, lower single threads, strong gpu. They don't match well. You can't have dolphin emulation, next gen gaming and cheap hardware.
You could get a used i5 haswell on eBay from those who are upgrading to the haswell refresh. You may save some money on the CPU and again be able to buy a discounted 8 series mother board.
(04-29-2014, 02:34 PM)RepWolf Wrote: [ -> ]After reading these threads for months the one thing repeated is Haswell CPU. If you can wait until early June you can pick up a cheap over clockable Pentium anniversary chip that will work with discounted 8 series motherboards (new 9 series are coming out soon). However, many next gen games will require 4 cores. Dolphin = dual core, high single threads, low gpu. Next gen games = quad core, lower single threads, strong gpu. They don't match well. You can't have dolphin emulation, next gen gaming and cheap hardware.
You could get a used i5 haswell on eBay from those who are upgrading to the haswell refresh. You may save some money on the CPU and again be able to buy a discounted 8 series mother board.
"However, many next gen games will require 4 cores."
Are you serious? Is this a real thing?
Please tell me this is a joke. This is horrible. I think I might cry.
Maybe.
Maaaaaybe.
If this is true, I think I might have to shelf my dream of playing goobqoob on my computer.
While many PC games are heading towards multi-core support, its only a few of the top, AAAAAAA titles that need them (like Watchdogs, for example). Most just use dual-core and offload to the GPU
(04-29-2014, 03:01 PM)KHg8m3r Wrote: [ -> ]While many PC games are heading towards multi-core support, its only a few of the top, AAAAAAA titles that need them (like Watchdogs, for example). Most just use dual-core and offload to the GPU
Maybe I can make a compromise. What's a good, cheap, 4 core CPU?
Would it be able to run these games okay?
Real quick, to clarify, I would be running these games with no graphical enhancements. Maybe resolution increase, but definitely not ever past 720p and at completely native graphical settings with performance tweaks enabled. Are you sure that the FX-6300 wouldn't be able to run these games? It's pretty fast...
(04-29-2014, 03:08 PM)Exoquatic Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2014, 03:01 PM)KHg8m3r Wrote: [ -> ]While many PC games are heading towards multi-core support, its only a few of the top, AAAAAAA titles that need them (like Watchdogs, for example). Most just use dual-core and offload to the GPU
Maybe I can make a compromise. What's a good, cheap, 4 core CPU?
Would it be able to run these games okay?
Real quick, to clarify, I would be running these games with no graphical enhancements. Maybe resolution increase, but definitely not ever past 720p and at completely native graphical settings with performance tweaks enabled. Are you sure that the FX-6300 wouldn't be able to run these games? It's pretty fast...
Well you could opt for i5 4670k and use the integrated graphics instead of a dedicated card.. and then just buy a dedicated card when you can afford to. Sounds like a smart idea to me.
Dolphin doesn't require much for native resolution.
The fx-6300 has a high clock speed and 6 cores, but it's instructions per core (IPC) is god awful, along with most AMD cpu's. My athlon 750k is clocked at 3.4ghz quad core but the i3 4130 is far superior. The reason I got this though was because it was $80 and this is an extreme budget build. Definitely not future proof and I am going to upgrade soon.
That's why I'm saying get the 4670k. It's an investment.
Stick to Intel Haswell. Any of the regular voltage i3 or i5 will be fine, like i3-4130/4340, or the i5-4440/4670/4670K
(stay away from anything with an S, U, Y, or T at the end, as they are low-voltage CPUs and are underclocked)
edit: Yeah, the Intel HD graphics can hit around 2-3x IR depending on how graphically intense the game is