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Just noticed this. How the hell will you ever manage to spend 5000$ on drinking

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:So, a slight change in my financial situation has a really high chance of happening over the summertime. I've applied to a special program that has an extremely high chance of finding people a job, but limits their weekly income and forces them to stop working once they return to school, designed for students, and limited to my age group

Just get a real job!

Not easy to find one, also not eligible for the easy-to-find jobs around here; this is literally just ensuring a person a real job, but limiting their pay, anyways.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:(no, I'm not actually going to disclose my actual age here yet, it's easy to find on the internet, though, if you know where to look, so the site can just think that I'm 24 for now).

Nobody cares.

I don't care that nobody cares, when it's 11:30 and I haven't gotten a proper night of sleep in weeks.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I've run some numbers, and, realistically, I have a budget of $2900 CAD for this build by the end of the summer time

You can buy pretty much anything for that much.

That's pushing it a little bit. I also need to get audio hardware and a desk with this money, which isn't going on PCPartPicker.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:once you take away the rest of the $5850 to account for drinking.

How the fuck are you going to spend that much on alcohol? Are you going to be drinking nothing but wine from the 1950s?

Actually, 5850 is the absolute maximum I could make in a job I got from this program, if I work all day every day all summer long. More realistically, I'd probably make ~$3500-4000. The rest isn't actually going towards alcohol, it's going towards things like the "Get Dan a new chair that doesn't mess up all of his recordings" fund, and the "Get Dan new audio stuff that isn't terrifying" fund.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:for people who aren't constantly cold),

Canadian problems. Come to the tropics. We have stable temperatures and lots of mosquitoes.

Actually, this problem is rather specific. I am set up in a stone basement, in one of the most humid cities in all of North America. The fact that it's in Canada makes the humidity cause you to be extremely cold when it's not the summer time.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:with Intel and nVidia parts, for only $2500 (taken off another bit for other vices).

I would ask you to reconsider that restriction. People have a right to recommend you an AMD GPU if it is deemed better for your needs. Unless you have a specific need for nvidia GPUs (which if that is the case you need to elaborate on this) AMD GPUs are better suited to your needs since you plan on using dolphin.

This is going to sound VERY stupid, and I understand exactly why, so you don't need to comment on this, but, I want to have an SFF Intel-NVidia build and an LFF AMD-AMD build. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in this mindset, and might only change that when I go to actually buy the parts.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Currently, I'm starting low on it. But, as soon as I've picked viable parts for each spot, I wanna start moving up. Save each budget rung as well, just in case.

I have no idea what this means.

I can see why. I can't understand it either.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:- No HDDs (ignore the HDD in the list already, this is something I wanna work up to)

What do you plan on using for now? What is your end goal?

I've already put an SSD in the list and replaced the HDD.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:- Relatively easy to bring to another room in the house (meaning wifi, and possibly light weight)

Why?

I live in a house with an immature adult, a mature adult, and a young child. Occasionally, we switch rooms. Also, I've been forced to move my desk about a lot while I've had my stuff down here, and it helps when your computer isn't as heavy as your little sister.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:- Not-immense power requirements - Make it like the turd-burster (my current computer) is now, but because of efficiency, not crappiness

This is extremely vague.

The turd-burster peaks 200w, is that better?

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I need a 16:10 resolution

Why? This completely rules out all of the best options on the market including the 2560 x 1440 and 3840 x 2160 panels.

Issues with my vision that makes 16:9 cause a slight sick feeling, and 4:3/5:4 give me a headache.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:god I hope someone doesn't just run into this thread and exclaim that I need to buy a 4670k, that's not really productive anymore at this point. I only need a processor capable of keeping up with my GPU, and playing my small collection of light GC/Wii games in dolphin.

You set your budget at 2900CAD and you expect people not to recommend you the best cpu for what your trying to do which is easily affordable within those constraints? You would have to be criminally stupid not to recommend the 4670K under this scenario.

I should make that note an example of why I should probably stop going to bed so late.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:god I hope someone doesn't just run into this thread and tell me that I need to wait for the new haswells to come out to make this list

Well....what did you expect? Obviously if better cpus come out you'll want to reevaluate your choices.

I'm compiling the list over a long period of time. I don't want someone to tell me to wait to compile it until something that I could just change in the list comes out.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Is there a Xeon that's equivalent to the 4670?

No. And if there was you wouldn't want it.

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(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:If anything, though, I plan to REDUCE the stock clock a little bit, so that it doesn't get as hot.

That serves absolutely no benefit and will reduce your performance.

It gets hot here in the summer. I've seen this poor CPU go from loading 29c to idling 35c in the summertime, so it's a bit of a concern for higher-end hardware.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Excess, when it comes to PSUs, is actually better, unlike most things in a computer (but you probably already knew that, didn't you?). To me, the farther I go above the computer's max pull with the PSU, the better. Especially after my bout with cheap, golden PSUs with "550w dual fans". So, I'm not going to buy an Antec Green 320D for a computer that pulls a full 200w. I would, however, use it for an HTPC which pulls 84w at load, and 12w idle.

Buying extremely high end PSUs for a low load system is both less efficient and a waste of money. The electrical savings will never pay back the higher cost of the PSU and PSUs tend to lose efficiency when their load drops below 50% (as will be the case most of the time in this scenario). So you might not even gain any efficiency at all. Your own links confirm this. He's just trying to save you money.

I asked for the thoroughness. I provided myself with what he forgot, so it's better now.

(04-05-2014, 03:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I've made some changes. I WAS going to change the GPU for a 780, since I do some GPU-heavy things, but I decided not to when I saw how much higher the price went.

What about the 770, 760, and 660? Just because the 780 is too expensive doesn't mean you have to drop it all the way down to a 750.

I was still waking up when I did that. You can't expect a man to make sensical decisions when he is still drinking his coffee.

I suggest you come back when you have the actual money to buy this stuff. Technology changes alot.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I don't care that nobody cares, when it's 11:30 and I haven't gotten a proper night of sleep in weeks.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I was still waking up when I did that. You can't expect a man to make sensical decisions when he is still drinking his coffee.

Here we go again with the sleep excuse. Get yourself some methamphetamines.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:That's pushing it a little bit. I also need to get audio hardware and a desk with this money, which isn't going on PCPartPicker.

Well you said it was for the build and made no mention of that other stuff. So now I have to ask again. How much is your budget for the build?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Actually, this problem is rather specific. I am set up in a stone basement, in one of the most humid cities in all of North America. The fact that it's in Canada makes the humidity cause you to be extremely cold when it's not the summer time.

Install a heater. Cooling is hard, heating is easy.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:This is going to sound VERY stupid, and I understand exactly why, so you don't need to comment on this, but, I want to have an SFF Intel-NVidia build and an LFF AMD-AMD build. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in this mindset, and might only change that when I go to actually buy the parts.

I hate when you're right. That does sound very stupid. And of course I'm going to comment on this! You admiting that it's a dumb idea only further illustrates that it's irrational and therefore worth mentioning.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I can see why. I can't understand it either.

Then why write it? What did you mean to write?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I live in a house with an immature adult, a mature adult, and a young child. Occasionally, we switch rooms. Also, I've been forced to move my desk about a lot while I've had my stuff down here, and it helps when your computer isn't as heavy as your little sister.

It's really not that much harder to move an ATX build than a micro-atx/mini-itx build. Unless you're constantly moving it I would advice against constraining yourself to a small build.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:The turd-burster peaks 200w, is that better?

I would aim for double that if you can. Modern parts generally use more electricity than parts from that era.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Issues with my vision that makes 16:9 cause a slight sick feeling, and 4:3/5:4 give me a headache.

4:3/5:4 I can understand. But 16:9 is only a 10% reduction in height from 16:10 and no reduction in width. How did you test this exactly? The monitor size likely played a bigger role in your test than the AR.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I'm compiling the list over a long period of time. I don't want someone to tell me to wait to compile it until something that I could just change in the list comes out

Ok but that would be the rationale thing to do.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:It gets hot here in the summer. I've seen this poor CPU go from loading 29c to idling 35c in the summertime, so it's a bit of a concern for higher-end hardware.

1. Your current cpu when overclocked has a much higher TDP than this one.
2. Your cooling is probably not that great.

Unless your ambient temperature is 150+ F (65+ C) a haswell desktop cpu should not be overheating at stock settings. If you really want to be sure just get a good cooler for it. You easily have the money for one.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I asked for the thoroughness. I provided myself with what he forgot, so it's better now.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean but I'm willing to bet you're still not going to change your mind on this one.

As for the moving the computer, I keep my Dell Dimension upstairs and move it downstairs when I want to use the TV for big screen gaming. Its a pretty big and made of all metal, but its not that hard to move around.

http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/001977/dell_dimension_9200.jpg

Rant: Damn Dell and their use of BTX motherboards. Can't upgrade it anymore easily

Tell me about it. I had an XPS 400. Same chassis, also BTX. When I learned it was BTX I swore to never buy an OEM system again.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:That's pushing it a little bit. I also need to get audio hardware and a desk with this money, which isn't going on PCPartPicker.

Well you said it was for the build and made no mention of that other stuff. So now I have to ask again. How much is your budget for the build?

I did say that I was replacing everything, didn't I? I guess most people wouldn't think desk, chair, controller, audio stuff, and adapters, but I still mentioned them really broadly.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Actually, this problem is rather specific. I am set up in a stone basement, in one of the most humid cities in all of North America. The fact that it's in Canada makes the humidity cause you to be extremely cold when it's not the summer time.

Install a heater. Cooling is hard, heating is easy.

Now, I know you never could have known this without me saying it before, but, because of the fact that my wifi card is dying at an ever-speeding pace, I have to have my desk directly below the router. Unfortunately, there's no power outlet right here, and, in fact, there's not on anywhere near this placement. So, I have to run an extension cord down through a vent from the living room, over to my desk. And then, once it gets there, it has to go through a really old power bar into a computer, a screen, a tv (which is right by my desk, other people in the house use it), a MIDI keyboard, and a really old pair of speakers that I'm using as a headphone amp. Adding a heater would amplify the danger, if one of our extremely playful dogs ever bumps the plug upstairs.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:This is going to sound VERY stupid, and I understand exactly why, so you don't need to comment on this, but, I want to have an SFF Intel-NVidia build and an LFF AMD-AMD build. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in this mindset, and might only change that when I go to actually buy the parts.

I hate when you're right. That does sound very stupid. And of course I'm going to comment on this! You admiting that it's a dumb idea only further illustrates that it's irrational and therefore worth mentioning.

Good to know that we're on the same page about this.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I can see why. I can't understand it either.

Then why write it? What did you mean to write?

I don't really know. Maybe I was saying something along the lines of bookmarking different points in making this list, or maybe that I'd start by pretending I have a really low budget, but I can't be sure of it.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I live in a house with an immature adult, a mature adult, and a young child. Occasionally, we switch rooms. Also, I've been forced to move my desk about a lot while I've had my stuff down here, and it helps when your computer isn't as heavy as your little sister.

It's really not that much harder to move an ATX build than a micro-atx/mini-itx build. Unless you're constantly moving it I would advice against constraining yourself to a small build.

Well, I also use my desk as a table for everything, and I want to move away from using a separate, smaller table to hold my computer. In getting a new desk, I have to get a smaller one (area restrictions where I'm moving the stuff when I buy the new desk), and I can already hardly fit two meals, a coffee, my disk binders, and my screens* on this desk. Also, I enjoy the novelty of having a small computer.

* = sometimes, when I need to do more multitasking than 1080p is designed for, I brave the flickering and put one of my other screens on my desk and use it as well

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:The turd-burster peaks 200w, is that better?

I would aim for double that if you can. Modern parts generally use more electricity than parts from that era.

At this point, I'd either have to get a really powerful GPU or multiple GPUs to double that, really.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Issues with my vision that makes 16:9 cause a slight sick feeling, and 4:3/5:4 give me a headache.

4:3/5:4 I can understand. But 16:9 is only a 10% reduction in height from 16:10 and no reduction in width. How did you test this exactly? The monitor size likely played a bigger role in your test than the AR.

My current screen is slightly larger than normal. If I go to a normal-sized 1920x1200 screen, I will have a reduction in size from the edges instead of an increase of vertical size.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I'm compiling the list over a long period of time. I don't want someone to tell me to wait to compile it until something that I could just change in the list comes out

Ok but that would be the rationale thing to do.

Rationality is for people who didn't become obsessed with a show meant for little girls, join multiple communities surrounding it, lie about every aspect of his life for attention, think everyone loves him, have a mental breakdown when he realized they didn't, rageleave all of those communities, rejoin pretending to be a german-american girl who cannot understand spoken english but who understands written english, and then start a big thing pretending that people had purchased his name for use.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:It gets hot here in the summer. I've seen this poor CPU go from loading 29c to idling 35c in the summertime, so it's a bit of a concern for higher-end hardware.

1. Your current cpu when overclocked has a much higher TDP than this one.
2. Your cooling is probably not that great.

Unless your ambient temperature is 150+ F (65+ C) a haswell desktop cpu should not be overheating at stock settings. If you really want to be sure just get a good cooler for it. You easily have the money for one.

My CPU, when overclocked, has a TDP of 72w. The humidity can do wonders to choke up a fan.

(04-05-2014, 04:37 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I asked for the thoroughness. I provided myself with what he forgot, so it's better now.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean but I'm willing to bet you're still not going to change your mind on this one.

You're right, I'm probably, not, but you never know. Actually, I do know. I'll probably end up changing my mind when I go to buy the stuff. Hell, knowing me, I'll probably end up instantly converting to XL-ATX with two R9 290s, four Raptors in raid 10, and an 80+ Silver 1000w power supply.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I did say that I was replacing everything, didn't I? I guess most people wouldn't think desk, chair, controller, audio stuff, and adapters, but I still mentioned them really broadly.

You set a budget for the build and said everything else would go to other things. Implying that the build budget is just for the build. You didn't say anything about a desk, chair, controller, or adapters.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Now, I know you never could have known this without me saying it before, but, because of the fact that my wifi card is dying at an ever-speeding pace, I have to have my desk directly below the router. Unfortunately, there's no power outlet right here, and, in fact, there's not on anywhere near this placement. So, I have to run an extension cord down through a vent from the living room, over to my desk. And then, once it gets there, it has to go through a really old power bar into a computer, a screen, a tv (which is right by my desk, other people in the house use it), a MIDI keyboard, and a really old pair of speakers that I'm using as a headphone amp. Adding a heater would amplify the danger, if one of our extremely playful dogs ever bumps the plug upstairs.

There are so many easy ways to fix this:
1. Get a better wifi adapter
2. Outlets come in pairs. So run a second extension chord from the same GFCI.
3. Use chords/power strips that don't completely suck
4. Add an outlet down there, the electrical work really isn't that hard.
And so on...

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Well, I also use my desk as a table for everything, and I want to move away from using a separate, smaller table to hold my computer. In getting a new desk, I have to get a smaller one (area restrictions where I'm moving the stuff when I buy the new desk), and I can already hardly fit two meals, a coffee, my disk binders, and my screens* on this desk. Also, I enjoy the novelty of having a small computer.

Why not put the desktop UNDER the desk?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:* = sometimes, when I need to do more multitasking than 1080p is designed for, I brave the flickering and put one of my other screens on my desk and use it as well

What flickering?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:At this point, I'd either have to get a really powerful GPU or multiple GPUs to double that, really.

Not true. Do the math.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:My current screen is slightly larger than normal.

What is "normal"?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:If I go to a normal-sized 1920x1200 screen, I will have a reduction in size from the edges instead of an increase of vertical size.

Probably not true. But then again I don't know what you define as normal. Or what you're using now.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:rejoin pretending to be a german-american girl who cannot understand spoken english but who understands written english

Probably not the response you were looking for but I found this part hilarious to try and imagine. That would make for a very hard but rewarding troll account.

As for the rest.....uh....ok....I don't think I want to know.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:My CPU, when overclocked, has a TDP of 72w. The humidity can do wonders to choke up a fan.

I doubt that. Your cpu is 65w at stock. And how crappy is your cooling?

(04-05-2014, 06:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Now, I know you never could have known this without me saying it before, but, because of the fact that my wifi card is dying at an ever-speeding pace, I have to have my desk directly below the router. Unfortunately, there's no power outlet right here, and, in fact, there's not on anywhere near this placement. So, I have to run an extension cord down through a vent from the living room, over to my desk. And then, once it gets there, it has to go through a really old power bar into a computer, a screen, a tv (which is right by my desk, other people in the house use it), a MIDI keyboard, and a really old pair of speakers that I'm using as a headphone amp. Adding a heater would amplify the danger, if one of our extremely playful dogs ever bumps the plug upstairs.

There are so many easy ways to fix this:
1. Get a better wifi adapter
2. Outlets come in pairs. So run a second extension chord from the same GFCI.
3. Use chords/power strips that don't completely suck
4. Add an outlet down there, the electrical work really isn't that hard.
And so on...

I think it's less expensive for me to move into a room that's affected by the house's heater than to buy ~100' of wire (and wire protection), and also a lot easier than trying to find an unused spot on the breaker. The cold stuff isn't really a problem, though, really. The problem is my screen, which wobbles because of my keyboard-abusive typing, which is caused mostly by the fact that I'm cold so often. It's not an issue during the summer, though.

(04-05-2014, 06:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Well, I also use my desk as a table for everything, and I want to move away from using a separate, smaller table to hold my computer. In getting a new desk, I have to get a smaller one (area restrictions where I'm moving the stuff when I buy the new desk), and I can already hardly fit two meals, a coffee, my disk binders, and my screens* on this desk. Also, I enjoy the novelty of having a small computer.

Why not put the desktop UNDER the desk?

I change what's going on back there rather often. Putting it under my desk would not only make that more difficult (especially since I'm a really, really big guy), but would also detract from the massive amount of footroom that I like to have, as a really, really big guy.

(04-05-2014, 06:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:* = sometimes, when I need to do more multitasking than 1080p is designed for, I brave the flickering and put one of my other screens on my desk and use it as well

What flickering?

Windows 8. It flickers the second monitor when I have more than one screen. Did you not know of this? It seems to be a common issue, as far as I've looked.

(04-05-2014, 06:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:At this point, I'd either have to get a really powerful GPU or multiple GPUs to double that, really.

Not true. Do the math.

Okay, so my rough estimate based on absolutely no grounds was wrong.

(04-05-2014, 06:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:My current screen is slightly larger than normal.

What is "normal"?

By "normal", I mean ~21-22 inch for 1080p, iirc. My screen is, last time I checked, 25-inch, which is horrible to try to look at if you aren't really far away from the screen. Thankfully, my current desk's long enough to just shove it at the back, but I used to deal with this on a tiny little desk meant for a 12-year-old to have their first computer on.

(04-05-2014, 06:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:rejoin pretending to be a german-american girl who cannot understand spoken english but who understands written english

Probably not the response you were looking for but I found this part hilarious to try and imagine. That would make for a very hard but rewarding troll account.

The best part is that it wasn't a troll account.

(04-05-2014, 06:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

kinkinkijkin Wrote:My CPU, when overclocked, has a TDP of 72w. The humidity can do wonders to choke up a fan.

I doubt that. Your cpu is 65w at stock. And how crappy is your cooling?

Well, before, I was using the stock cooling. A low-noise 70mm fan on a heatsink with a big crack in it. And, my CPU was just BARELY qualifying for the 65w bracket, it seems, because as soon as I fill her with 700MHz core and 900MHz CPU-NB, she jumps up to 72w.

After moving all of my desk to a completely new room, and also entirely missing the opportunity to be included in said program ('twas on a tuesday that I needed it in, I always feel bad on tuesday, couldn't even leave bed), I've decided to re-evaluate this build.

Goodbye, build! R.I.P. in pieces.

(but I'm still keeping it on PCPartPicker and updating it, if anyone feels like they want to stalk my progress, even though I'm just some random person who shouldn't be particularly important to anyone)