That's not accurate. Many BIOS menus give you the option to disable TurboBoost. Yours may not.
Sometimes laptops use these cheesy sticky pads to sit between the CPU and heatsink. Why they do this I will never know. They typically dry out and crack after a few years and lose their heat conduction properties. AS or MX-4 should straighten that right out.
My amateur guess would be that when your cpu was going into turbo boost, overheating, and then throttling, probably causing all kinds of stuttering and bad performance. Turning it off probably won't effect many PC games, but it will effect dolphin, especially on more demanding games because it's so CPU intensive.
If your laptop was anything like mine, compressed air air won't do anything. If you really don't want to be messing with reapplying thermal paste, just get the fluff and dust on and re enable turbo boost.
rokclimb15 Wrote:Sometimes laptops use these cheesy sticky pads to sit between the CPU and heatsink. Why they do this I will never know. They typically dry out and crack after a few years and lose their heat conduction properties. AS or MX-4 should straighten that right out.
TCP (thermally conductive pads) is what you're referring to. They cannot by definition dry out because they are already "dry" (solid). They use them because they are cleaner and much quicker and easier to apply in mass manufacturing. This increases manufacturing speed and therefore output and reduces required maintenance of the facility and therefore production cost. Think about how much faster, cleaner, safer, and easier it is to slap a pad on there instead of having some worker spray and spread grease over it.
Powderedtoastman Wrote:And the voltages, just like overclocking, sounds like they are in the same boat and probably gonna gimp my laptop if i screw up. unless there are safe values i should be able to do and keep turbo boost on. ive been looking around at some guide but it seems to vary between laptops and desktop and model numbers so i wouldnt know what to do exactly if i should bother at all lol if there are different value per item.
You would have to be pretty stupid to screw up voltages on a modern system enough to cause actual permanent damage. If you pick a completely random number without doing so much as a google search first sure, it can be dangerous.
Powderedtoastman Wrote:Figure with the turbo boost thing built in they would had atleast done something to actually make sure it gets enough power or whatever so it not the sole reason for causing alot heating not the programs themselves seems counter productive to even have it in from what ive noticed.
It is getting enough power it just isn't getting enough cooling. It's strange that it would throttle lower with turbo boost than without. This suggests poor voltage management and a really bad cooling system (or really gunked up with dust).
Yeah getting paid on Wednesday and gonna order some of the MX-4. How much should i buy anyways just 1 order?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186038
Ive havent done anything voltage related since physics class in highschool which was about 9 years ago so excuse my ignorance on the subject. it sounds safe to mess with, but if its getting enough power as you say then what would changing the values actually do?
Yeah the whole turbo boosting thing is odd, its not dusty from what i can see so far(havent fully opened up the laptop just taken off the panels on the bottom to spray it down and clear out the vents) so far i can play most of the cube games i do have decently and xenoblade im able to play until the screen get cluttered with npcs or a buttload of enemies. Metroid other M always runs under 70% even in empty areas and dirt low settings. even when i had turboboost on it still ran very subpar. so hopefully ill have my paste by the weekend and get to some real testing after getting rid of a potential heating problem.
Now to google spam on what i should put my voltages at
(09-24-2013, 09:21 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]rokclimb15 Wrote:Sometimes laptops use these cheesy sticky pads to sit between the CPU and heatsink. Why they do this I will never know. They typically dry out and crack after a few years and lose their heat conduction properties. AS or MX-4 should straighten that right out.
TCP (thermally conductive pads) is what you're referring to. They cannot by definition dry out because they are already "dry" (solid). They use them because they are cleaner and much quicker and easier to apply in mass manufacturing. This increases manufacturing speed and therefore output and reduces required maintenance of the facility and therefore production cost. Think about how much faster, cleaner, safer, and easier it is to slap a pad on there instead of having some worker spray and spread grease over it.
I literally understand why they're used, but they're not very durable. They may not "dry" out, but I guess they crack/tear due to heat. I've replaced them with thermal paste in a few aged laptops that were suffering from thermal problems and it fixed it.
rokclimb15 Wrote:I literally understand why they're used,
Well you did say:
rokclimb15 Wrote:Why they do this I will never know.
Which implies that you didn't know and that you wanted to know.
You're correct though. Surface tension/friction causes them to crack over time. And they do have inferior thermal conductivity to thermal grease to begin with.
Powderedtoastman Wrote:How much should i buy anyways just 1 order?
The smallest quantity you can possible get. It will likely still be 20x as much as you actually need.
Powderedtoastman Wrote:Ive havent done anything voltage related since physics class in highschool which was about 9 years ago so excuse my ignorance on the subject. it sounds safe to mess with, but if its getting enough power as you say then what would changing the values actually do?
If you will recall from your highschool physics class (I hope) matter has a property called resistance. This in turn creates an effect called resistive heating (joule heating) whereby electrical energy is dissipated in the form of heat. More electrical energy = more heat. Lowering the voltage reduces thermal dissipation (heat production) causing the temperature to in turn go down.
Powderedtoastman Wrote:Yeah the whole turbo boosting thing is odd, its not dusty from what i can see so far(havent fully opened up the laptop just taken off the panels on the bottom to spray it down and clear out the vents) so far i can play most of the cube games i do have decently and xenoblade im able to play until the screen get cluttered with npcs or a buttload of enemies. Metroid other M always runs under 70% even in empty areas and dirt low settings. even when i had turboboost on it still ran very subpar. so hopefully ill have my paste by the weekend and get to some real testing after getting rid of a potential heating problem.
Issues with overheating when running demanding software are extremely common in most cheap and midrange laptops (<$1000).
little as possible eh, thats good to know. maybe i can hook up my room mates stuff once i get the hang of with the leftovers.
But wouldnt toning down the voltage mess with the power consumption needed for the turbo boost. Or are you saying that it shouldnt need much to begin with and probably over doing it just because its programmed too not because it needs it?
Oh i know the heat woes well, my old laptop became a furnace at one point. Eventually the graphics card or whatever just died, all i was able to see is just scrambled colors everywhere. Quite a horrible time lol. Yeah i know its a common issue as they arent designed for heavy gaming.
Im just in a need for a good rpg fix and trying to avoid buying the tales games for ps3 for now until the prices drop and the monitor i use in my own room is HDMI only so i wouldnt be able to just play the games on the wii when i want too(also looks like crap on the big screens except fzeroGX
) so i fell back onto this laptop.
So getting xenoblade and the last story decently runnable is my main priority. Working on setting together a gaming desktop, saving up for ps4, and limited edition 3ds while paying rent on time >_< And these 2 rpgs should hold me long enough until the new pkmn games come out. Just gotta get them running near full speed.
(09-24-2013, 02:51 PM)Powderedtoastman Wrote: [ -> ]So getting xenoblade and the last story decently runnable is my main priority.
Xenoblade: can be done.
The Last Story: much more demanding on the CPU. I don't remember the exact fps I get with both games, but I'd say that TLS requires almost double CPU power than Xenoblade. HLE audio can help quite a bit, and I didn't notice differences in audio quality. You can also toggle between EFB to RAM and EFB to Texture once the level has loaded.
(09-24-2013, 07:02 PM)masterotaku Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2013, 02:51 PM)Powderedtoastman Wrote: [ -> ]So getting xenoblade and the last story decently runnable is my main priority.
Xenoblade: can be done.
The Last Story: much more demanding on the CPU. I don't remember the exact fps I get with both games, but I'd say that TLS requires almost double CPU power than Xenoblade. HLE audio can help quite a bit, and I didn't notice differences in audio quality. You can also toggle between EFB to RAM and EFB to Texture once the level has loaded.
yeah xenoblade runs on 3.0 around 85-100% from what ive played so far, still looking for a version to use for The last story better. HLE audio is on by default, or did you mean the LLE one which i read about for settings(usually when i attempted to put it on LLE it gave me errors so i didnt bother lol).
Audio quality wont bother me much as long as it not skipping/stuttering or sound like crumpling paper like it does on version 3.5 to latest, while older versions the audio stays consistent even when the emulator slows down
Yeah i usually had to boot it up TLS with EFB to ram for the character to render with their full bodies then i was able to switch to texture to get a small increase. Im able to do most of the first 5 minutes of the game at about 80-98% even when you get swarmed before getting auto switched to the next party to get them to join up. Only part where it ran like 50-60% was where the game first loads up in after the cutscene then it speeds up once i move out that spot.
