xemnas Wrote:It's technically possible. I wanted to know how difficult it is.
Technically possible, but not very probable. The probability of something not happening at all gets you just the same effect as if it were impossible.
xemnas Wrote:Yes. That is why I said in the long run it might work out. I didn't say that the people who don't report the issues aren't affected. The issues affect everyone who use D3D11. It doesn't matter whether they report the issues.
Even in the short run, it's not going to work out, as long as newer revisions solve an issue important to a user, but said user is stuck on older revisions. Additionally, you misunderstood what I meant about who's affected by not reporting issues. Those who don't report D3D11 issues will not likely see those issues fixed, and they're often the last to know when an issue is fixed, usually by chance whenever they upgrade to the latest revision. Compare this to users who actively report issues on Google Code, get their issues sorted with the developers, and get updates whenever something comes up. So yes, I'd say users who don't report issues generally get the short end of the stick
(09-03-2013, 06:52 AM)Starscream Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2013, 06:43 AM)xemnas Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the information. It seems my opinion doesn't matter. So no need to discuss this any further.
Don't read too much into it, that's just the way he is. I was planning on sending him to a "management and communication skills" seminar, but he probably wouldn't go anyway.. 
I don't know shit about management and communication, I'm mostly a backend developer by trade. I think I'm fairly good at communicating with developers, and that's what I mostly care about. But:
1. So far I'm the only person that seems to give a shit about Dolphin 4.0. Your choice is between my shitty management skills and "everyone starts working on libdolphin, a new videocommon and DolphinQt on master 3 weeks before a major release, while ignoring issues, not doing any issue triaging, and not writing any documentation". If you think you can do better, feel free to work and gain recognition from the development team so that everyone starts kinda listening to your obviously better management and communication skills. As far as I know, I'm the only person to have even tried talking to the wiki admin in the last 2 years, I'm the only person that tries to do PR (who posts on the Facebook page?), etc. This doesn't require technical skills, you never even tried to do it. Don't complain if you can't do a better job.
2. I think you're probably one of the worst persons to shit on my communication skills. Look at what you did in this thread: you posted 2 messages, one to selectively quote neobrain out of context to make him say something he's not saying, and one to shit on me. Your contributions to Dolphin nowadays amount to pissing me off by calling my decisions that I have to take quickly before a release "random" (guess what: making decisions quickly is hard, makes me shoulder some responsibilities that I would really like to not take, but I do it because I think there is a good change Dolphin 4.0 could be better because of it) and misquoting people + being passive-agressive.
Your testing was useful in the past, that's great, we thank you for that. That doesn't make you an expert on emulator programming that can give an informed opinion on code maintainability and tradeoffs like this.
Why do you always make such a fuss when someone criticizes you? You really have a problem with that .. I would give a shit on what people say, especially if they have no idea what they are talking about ..
slax65: In theory, you're right. But why are always the people criticized who cares the most about the user? For me, it's easy to ignore all the user as I don't care about them, but it isn't as easy if you care...
(09-03-2013, 07:58 AM)slax65 Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you always make such a fuss when someone criticizes you? You really have a problem with that .. I would give a shit on what people say, especially if they have no idea what they are talking about ..
Because I shouldn't have to take shit from people who don't know what they're talking about, especially when they have been told repeatedly that they don't know. It's not the first time that Starscream is giving me shit. In the last week, he called one of my decisions backed by data "random" to dismiss it, then proceeded to call me a "dictator" and now saying I need "communication classes". Any time he's not happy about a change he starts spewing ad hominem arguments ("people who press escape when playing Dolphin and complain about not having a confirmation are idiots", "delroth is a dictator") when he even tries to give arguments: I remember the time I moved guides to the wiki and he started complaining that he wouldn't work on documentation anymore because it's now hosted on the wiki instead of a crappy system I hacked together in 5min and was unmaintained/unimprovable. He never gave any explanation about why wiki would be worse, just "I won't work on the wiki".
To be honest in most cases I wouldn't make a fuss, I would just ban him. It's more complicated in this case because that means finding someone else trusted with admin rights on the forums, but tbh that shouldn't be that much of a problem.
(09-03-2013, 08:05 AM)degasus Wrote: [ -> ]slax65: In theory, you're right. But why are always the people criticized who cares the most about the user? For me, it's easy to ignore all the user as I don't care about them, but it isn't as easy if you care...
Also this. I would probably complain a lot less if I stopped replying to any forum thread. That wouldn't be good for users who are interested in tech explanations, nor for Dolphin.
(09-03-2013, 07:16 AM)Shonumi Wrote: [ -> ]Technically possible, but not very probable. The probability of something not happening at all gets you just the same effect as if it were impossible.
I didn't know that so I asked.
(09-03-2013, 07:16 AM)Shonumi Wrote: [ -> ]Even in the short run, it's not going to work out, as long as newer revisions solve an issue important to a user, but said user is stuck on older revisions.
By "work out", I meant eventually D3D11 issues will get reported. If a user chooses to not report an issue, that probably means it's fine with him. He probably can work around it somehow (like using an old build with D3D9). Even for the user who reports the issue he might need to use an old build as well because the issue doesn't get fixed immediately when reported. The difference is just that the user who reported the issue will get notified when the issue is fixed. However, by the time the issue is fixed the user who didn't report the issue probably already finished the game with an old build and moved on.
I don't quite understand why we discuss this. It's off topic. If you want to discuss more about this, please do it via PM. Thank you.
Sorry to hear that you have such dissonances among yourselves ..
But I cannot really say something about it, while I don't know any of you guys and I'm just a little end-user ..
IMO, with 4.0 releasing with Dx9, it will still be be a long time of the latest official release supporting it (until Dolphin 5.0). So everyone who wants Dx9 can just play it on Dolphin 4.0, while the devs does their thing in the subversions... this would be the case on any other emu, except Dolphin users are too spoiled and updates the emu each revision...
xemnas Wrote:By "work out", I meant eventually D3D11 issues will get reported. If a user chooses to not report an issue, that probably means it's fine with him. He probably can work around it somehow (like using an old build with D3D9). Even for the user who reports the issue he might need to use an old build as well because the issue doesn't get fixed immediately when reported. The difference is just that the user who reported the issue will get notified when the issue is fixed. However, by the time the issue is fixed the user who didn't report the issue probably already finished the game with an old build and moved on.
That's the point I'm making; in order to "work it out", you'll have to use an older revision for D3D9. It's neither an optimal experience or a solution. It potentially gives you issues that newer builds fix. You might get D3D9, but that's not to say you won't have to deal with other problems within Dolphin. Having been on these forums for quite a while, I can say most people don't report issues on Google Code. They aren't fine with the issues they encounter either (hence the amount of posts people post here daily describing problems that they hope "get fixed soon").
Users who report issues are in a better position to know when an issue is fixed exactly than those that don't, or at least those that don't keep up with Dolphin developments. We still get people daily who use 3.5 and ask about the crappy HLE audio that was fixed forever ago. Additionally, A number of users don't seem to finish games at all when they encounter significant issues; they seem to shelve Dolphin for a while, not report the issue, then come here again whenever it piques their interest and ask why they're getting issues in old builds. I'm serious; plenty of people try Dolphin, ignore it if it doesn't work the first time they run it, then come here later when they feel like trying again.
And this isn't off-topic, it's still about D3D9/11 and the forward direction of Dolphin
Well, I just wanted to post thank you to all the devs for the eventual 4.0... Good luck Delroth, and everyone else.