Hunter x Hunter (2011) ending Sept 23, somebody hold me while i cry
Been catching up fast on Naruto... I'm finally over the filler part. It wasn't so bad as it contained some decent info. And not even two episodes in present time and we get sent back to the past again.. sigh..
Got Mahouka, ZnT and AgK on line up after this.
In related news:
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Sekai Project are bringing Clannad to the West, the visual novel publisher announced during a panel at Japan Expo USA today.
The version being brought over is the “full voice edition” and a release date has yet to be announced. The game will be released on Steam.
Depending on how I like the anime, I'll grab it on Steam.
Clannad AS is one of my all time favs but i doubt i'll ever add VNs to my growing list of hobbies, i still hope people like it and get on the hype train though.
It's really sad that people like to watch anime more than read manga, is it that humans don't like to read? recently started reading Homunculus, great storyline, whenever i think about it and stuff like 20th Century Boys, i just feel sad for humanity for giving credit where it isn't due
People have their own preference of medium and while it's true the majority prefer anime over manga, what makes it sad?
Quote:i just feel sad for humanity for giving credit where it isn't due
What credit and to what exactly?
(08-25-2014, 01:00 AM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]People have their own preference of medium and while it's true the majority prefer anime over manga, what makes it sad?
Quote:i just feel sad for humanity for giving credit where it isn't due
What credit and to what exactly?
There are way more interesting things on manga than there are on anime but unfortunately anime continues to be the more popular medium of the two. The sad thing is the poor popularity of manga, there are some truly fantastic pieces of work that most people will never come to know of because they'll never make it to the anime form, whilst we continue to get crappy rom-coms consistently in anime form.
Since the manga comes directly from the author you really get a sense of exactly what kind of story they're trying to tell. Manga outnumbers anime at about a ratio of 8:1, so how come we can't get more quality content from the anime medium?
(08-25-2014, 03:19 AM)Zee530 Wrote: [ -> ]There are way more interesting things on manga than there are on anime but unfortunately anime continues to be the more popular medium of the two.
Well that's subjective. Manga is way- way more popular than anime in Japan, but overseas (here) it's the other way around.
Everyone has their own reasons for preferring anime over manga, but for me: the reason why I prefer anime is because I prefer to see animated characters accompanied by VA and an OST instead of static images with one or two lines of dialogue.
That combination of that and the fact that you spend like 20 minutes every episode with the characters leaves a stronger and deeper impact on me that say spending 10-15 minutes or however long on static images.
Disclaimer: I've only read like, 10 chapters or so of SnK and have seen some random manga snippets posted here and there.
Quote:The sad thing is the poor popularity of manga, there are some truly fantastic pieces of work that most people will never come to know of because they'll never make it to the anime form
I agree with that. Additionally we also have some anime that don't get a second season because they were unpopular.
Quote:whilst we continue to get crappy rom-coms consistently in anime form.
Blame Japan for that.
Quote:Since the manga comes directly from the author you really get a sense of exactly what kind of story they're trying to tell.
And usually the anime studio follows the manga pretty close, so I don't see your point?
Quote:Manga outnumbers anime at about a ratio of 8:1, so how come we can't get more quality content from the anime medium?
Because producing anime costs a lot more because a lot more comes into play than simply writing the script and drawing/sketching.
Budget depends of course, but here's an overview of how much an episode costs. Source:
Crunchyroll
Quote: Original work - 50,000 yen ($660)
Script - 200,000 yen ($2,640)
Episode Direction - 500,000 yen ($6,600)
Production - 2 million yen ($26,402)
Key Animation Supervision - 250,000 yen ($3,300)
Key Animation - 1.5 million yen ($19,801)
In-betweening - 1.1 million yen ($14,521)
Finishing - 1.2 million yen ($15,841)
Art (backgrounds) - 1.2 million yen ($15,841)
Photography - 700,000 yen ($9,240)
Sound - 1.2 million yen ($15,841)
Materials - 400,000 yen ($5,280)
Editing - 200,000 yen ($2,640)
Printing - 500,000 yen ($6,600)
It's actually pretty impressive if you compare it to the west.
(08-25-2014, 05:10 AM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone has their own reasons for preferring anime over manga, but for me: the reason why I prefer anime is because I prefer to see animated characters accompanied by VA and an OST instead of static images with one or two lines of dialogue.
Believe me, there are several anime i would like to read their manga but i'm holding off in hopes of maybe a new season gets announced (Oh, Kingdom T_T), but i cannot deny that if you look at the manga that doesn't have an anime in comparison an original anime that isn't based off of any manga, the quality of story telling in manga is worlds apart. I've found stuff that honestly makes shows like Death Note, Code Geass and Steins Gate look bad but they continue to live in obscurity cause no one checks out the medium.
(08-25-2014, 05:10 AM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]That combination of that and the fact that you spend like 20 minutes every episode with the characters leaves a stronger and deeper impact on me that say spending 10-15 minutes or however long on static images.
This doesn't really depend on the type of media but rather how much time you invest into what you're doing, there are manga that are 20 pages a chapter to ones that are 50 pages a chapter, it all comes down to how well the character is written, whether it's in anime or manga form it'll still have the same impact.
(08-25-2014, 05:10 AM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]And usually the anime studio follows the manga pretty close, so I don't see your point?
It's not just copying down what one sees on the page but the actual emotion or idea that brought about the birth of a certain event, a good example is let's say a character's death, there is no way to perfectly capture the atmosphere of the moment unless you're the author yourself, i don't really know how to explain this well.
Quote:Original work - 50,000 yen ($660)
Script - 200,000 yen ($2,640)
Episode Direction - 500,000 yen ($6,600)
Production - 2 million yen ($26,402)
Key Animation Supervision - 250,000 yen ($3,300)
Key Animation - 1.5 million yen ($19,801)
In-betweening - 1.1 million yen ($14,521)
Finishing - 1.2 million yen ($15,841)
Art (backgrounds) - 1.2 million yen ($15,841)
Photography - 700,000 yen ($9,240)
Sound - 1.2 million yen ($15,841)
Materials - 400,000 yen ($5,280)
Editing - 200,000 yen ($2,640)
Printing - 500,000 yen ($6,600)
Those are very concerning numbers, these are the latest BD sales on MAL
Quote:Here are the weekly Blu-ray & CD rankings for August 11th - 17th
Rank / This week's sales by copies / Cumulative sales / Titles
Blu-ray
*1. 4,753 **4,753 Hoozuki no Reitetsu Vol.6 A-ver Limited Edition
*2. 3,204 **3,204 Mekakucity Actors Vol.4 Limited Edition
*3. 1,462 **1,462 Noragami Vol.6 Limited Edition
*4. 1,072 112,962 Love Live! School Idol Project 2nd Season Vol.1 Limited Special Edition
*5. 1,000 *69,664 Kaze Tachinu
*6. *,971 **8,858 Lupin III: Cagliostro no Shiro HD-Remaster
(cut-off 971)
Looking at Hoozuki no Reitetsu Vol. 6, it costs Y6200 which is around $60 per vol., so we're talking $285,180 roughly, a BD usually contains 2 episodes, so using your charts above the cost of production is about $290,428. Keep in mind though the page you linked is 4 years old and i'm using modern BD prices.
,It's not only blu-ray sales though - you need to add merchandise and probably some money from TV if it's a daytime anime. But yeah, it's difficult for anime to break even, which is why a lot of stuff just ends after the first season.
(08-25-2014, 06:17 AM)Zee530 Wrote: [ -> ]but i cannot deny that if you look at the manga that doesn't have an anime in comparison an original anime that isn't based off of any manga, the quality of story telling in manga is worlds apart.
A manga having an anime adaptation or not doesn't change anything about the quality of the manga, I haven't seen any original anime that aren't based on a manga yet (I think), but even with them there's differences, so I wouldn't put it so black and white.
Quote:I've found stuff that honestly makes shows like Death Note, Code Geass and Steins Gate look bad but they continue to live in obscurity cause no one checks out the medium.
Bad how? Also, if you don't mind, list one or two?
There's a reason why all those anime you've mentioned are listed high. Kinda surprised Steins;Gate is, since it's not something most will understand, but it sure deserves it.
Also Steins;Gate is based off a Visual Novel and is highly skimped obviously due to budget and time constraints, but it does convey its main message.
Quote:This doesn't really depend on the type of media but rather how much time you invest into what you're doing, there are manga that are 20 pages a chapter to ones that are 50 pages a chapter, it all comes down to how well the character is written, whether it's in anime or manga form it'll still have the same impact.
It does depend on how much time you invest, but the medium is even more important.
To expand a little on what I said previously; when reading a manga for example all you're reading is snapshots (moments) of whatever is taking place and it depends on the person how they interpret it if it's not as straight-forward. You don't have a moment leading in and out, nor voice acting, nor accompanying music to determine the atmosphere and character mood. People who don't have much imagination will have much more trouble with this hence why anime is more popular because you get all these leads and cues.
Quote:It's not just copying down what one sees on the page but the actual emotion or idea that brought about the birth of a certain event, a good example is let's say a character's death, there is no way to perfectly capture the atmosphere of the moment unless you're the author yourself, i don't really know how to explain this well.
Indeed it is not and that's why the manga artist and director has to make this as clear as possible in the manga and/or work together close with the studio to calibrate the atmosphere as close as possible.
Quote:Looking at Hoozuki no Reitetsu Vol. 6, it costs Y6200 which is around $60 per vol., so we're talking $285,180 roughly, a BD usually contains 2 episodes, so using your charts above the cost of production is about $290,428. Keep in mind though the page you linked is 4 years old and i'm using modern BD prices.
Don't forget the DVD sales. And what delroth said.
Quote:3,989 3,989 1 Hoozuki no Reitetsu v6 A ver.
2,971 118,041 9 Kaze Tachinu
2,531 2,531 1 Mekakucity Actors v4
1,447 8,922 5 Tonari no Totoro (2014 re-release)
1,069 1,069 1 Noragami v6
1,012 2,634 2 Doraemon Shin Nobuta no Daimakyou ~Peko to Go-nin no Tankentai~ RE
991 991 1 Hoozuki no Reitetsu v6 B ver.
(08-25-2014, 08:09 PM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]Bad how? Also, if you don't mind, list one or two?
Sorry, got a little excited there, not really bad but works that would probably have equal if not better popularity than those titles. A good example would be 20th Century Boys.
(08-25-2014, 08:09 PM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]To expand a little on what I said previously; when reading a manga for example all you're reading is snapshots (moments) of whatever is taking place and it depends on the person how they interpret it if it's not as straight-forward. You don't have a moment leading in and out, nor voice acting, nor accompanying music to determine the atmosphere and character mood. People who don't have much imagination will have much more trouble with this hence why anime is more popular because you get all these leads and cues.
As a manga reader i have to say i've never had this issue and nor have i heard of anyone else complaining of it. Most artists do a great job of expressing all those even if it's an image and let's not forget why japanimation characters have gigantic eyes
(08-25-2014, 08:09 PM)Delroth Wrote: [ -> ],It's not only blu-ray sales though - you need to add merchandise and probably some money from TV if it's a daytime anime. But yeah, it's difficult for anime to break even, which is why a lot of stuff just ends after the first season.
Forgot about that but less and less people are getting into animation in Japan because of the low pay grade.