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I see
I thought AM2 CPU's was Phenom II lol
Every time i get sick i turn into an idiot , guess i should need some rest

omega_rugal Wrote:Of course

AM2 - accepts AM2 and AM3 CPUs, but you are restricted to DDR2
AM3 - accept AM3 CPUs and some motheboards can be updated to accept AM3+
AM3+ - can accept all the above plus the AM3+ only variants

Fixed that for you. Also I think your list should include AM2+ since AM3 cpus will not work in AM2 motherboards 99% of the time but will work in AM2+ motherboards.

omega_rugal Wrote:the AM3 only added support for DDR3 and the AM3+ changed the voltage requirements in order to feed these new power-hungry CPUs

That's not true. HT 3.1 was added along with a number of other features that I don't care about. The change in voltage was the most important change they made but it certainly wasn't the only change they made.

omega_rugal Wrote:True, but i said "based on", i didn`t say they were compatible in any way.

And I addressed that:

NaturalViolence Wrote:The PGA90x family (FM sockets) are very different from the PGA94x family.

NaturalViolence Wrote:PGA90x are also each slight modifications of their predecessors. But share little in common with the PGA94x sockets.

I simply took the opportunity to elaborate on the differences between the socket families. Since my comment about the decision to sacrifice backwards compatibility for better hardware integration was what prompted you to write your original post I felt like discussing it.

You can claim that they are based on the PGA94x family to some degree. But by that same logic you can claim that PGA940 is based on PGA462. Every socket implements a lot of things that were used in earlier sockets. So all sockets are based on any earlier socket designs to some degree. What's important is the degree of similarity and whether it was designed as a direct successor or a different fork entirely. PGA90x was designed to have an integrated gpu, integrated pci-e, and replace external HT with internal HT and external UMI. To me the significant differences in pinout and features combined with the fact that is was not designed as a successor to AM3 are enough to say that it's not based on AM3.

@admin89

For future reference:
Athlon 64/Athlon X2: Early models were PGA 754 or PGA 939. Later on AM2 was adopted followed by AM2+.
Athlon FX: Early models were PGA 939 or PGA 940. Later on AM2 was adopted. It was renamed to "black edition" during the AM2+ era.
Phenom: AM2+
Phenom II: Early models were AM2+. Later on AM3 was adopted.
FX Series (bulldozer/piledriver): AM3+

(08-01-2013, 05:56 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

omega_rugal Wrote:Of course

AM2 - accepts AM2 and AM3 CPUs, but you are restricted to DDR2
AM3 - accept AM3 CPUs and some motheboards can be updated to accept AM3+
AM3+ - can accept AM3 plus the AM3+ only variants

Fixed that for you. Also I think your list should include AM2+ since AM3 cpus will not work in AM2 motherboards 99% of the time but will work in AM2+ motherboards.

Fixed again

Quote:That's not true. HT 3.1 was added along with a number of other features
that I don't care about.

i don`t care about them either, so i didn`t mention them.

Quote:To me the significant differences in pinout and features combined with
the fact that is was not designed as a successor to AM3 are enough to
say that it's not based on AM3.

you mean it was made from scratch? nothing was reused or copied?

i have to quote myself here

Quote:I`m guessing here but isn`t the FM1 based on AM3 and FM2 based on AM3+?
bulldozer requires AM3+ to work so it make sense the new APUs based on
it wouldn`t fit on the FM1

omega_rugal Wrote:you mean it was made from scratch? nothing was reused or copied?

I didn't say that. In fact I said the exact opposite multiple times. I elaborated in detail in my last paragraph:

NaturalViolence Wrote:You can claim that they are based on the PGA94x family to some degree. But by that same logic you can claim that PGA940 is based on PGA462. Every socket implements a lot of things that were used in earlier sockets. So all sockets are based on any earlier socket designs to some degree. What's important is the degree of similarity and whether it was designed as a direct successor or a different fork entirely. PGA90x was designed to have an integrated gpu, integrated pci-e, and replace external HT with internal HT and external UMI. To me the significant differences in pinout and features combined with the fact that is was not designed as a successor to AM3 are enough to say that it's not based on AM3.

omega_rugal Wrote:i don`t care about them either, so i didn`t mention them.

Well you said that it was the only change. Which is of course not true.

Quote:I didn't say that. In fact I said the exact opposite multiple times. I elaborated in detail in my last paragraph:

we have different points of view about it.

where`s the guy who said he worked at AMD and Intel? maybe he can contribute to this topic.

Quote:Well you said that it was the only change.

the only change that set back compatibility. other minor changes restricted features but still worked.

omega_rugal Wrote:where`s the guy who said he worked at AMD and Intel? maybe he can contribute to this topic.

He did processor validation (debugging microcode routines). He wouldn't know anything about this.

Really it comes down to your definition of the term "based on". They share some similarities and use some of the same technology sure. But I don't believe for a minute that is sufficient to say one is based on the other. The pinout and feature set are clearly radically different from the 94x line.

So any opinions on ram. Was going to go with 16gb, but I'm going to stick with 8gb now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-148-661&Tpk=N82E16820148661

Good deal? Or is Ram something where I can just pick the cheapest?

Nah , go and get yourself an SSD . 16GB of ram is useless , you won't gain anything from it
Btw , you're using a laptop , right ? That ram is used for desktop

I'm building my first desktop.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1nflJ

This is what I have together so far.

The case, SSD and the powersupply have already been bought (using the SSD now). I'm not sure about the RAM, motherboard and the graphics card yet though. I want to spend as little on a graphics card as I can get away with. But I want to get the right motherboard, don't need to be removing it anytime soon.