07-27-2013, 04:43 PM
DatKid20 Wrote:lga 1156 > 1150 that's what i said. (Not in terms of performance of course.)
The pin count is higher. It's inferior in every way though. What did you mean by "makes it better"?
07-27-2013, 04:43 PM
07-27-2013, 05:04 PM
(07-27-2013, 04:43 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]DatKid20 Wrote:lga 1156 > 1150 that's what i said. (Not in terms of performance of course.)
The pin count is higher. It's inferior in every way though. What did you mean by "makes it better"?
Socket longevity. I wasn't speaking about how they actually work. If you're confused just forget it it really isn't important.
07-28-2013, 05:59 AM
Quote:They recently started
integrated components onto the cpu die and changing the socket as a
result (FM1, FM2, etc.)
I`m guessing here but isn`t the FM1 based on AM3 and FM2 based on AM3+? bulldozer requires AM3+ to work so it make sense the new APUs based on it wouldn`t fit on the FM1.
07-28-2013, 07:30 AM
No.
PGA940r2 = AM2
PGA940r3 = AM2+
PGA941 = AM3
PGA942 = AM3+
PGA905 = FM1
PGA904 = FM2
PGA906 = FM2+
The PGA94x (AM sockets) are all extremely similar and most of them are backwards/forwards compatible with each other. They are all slight modifications of their predecessors.
The PGA90x family (FM sockets) are very different from the PGA94x family. And they are not backwards/forwards compatible with each other. With the exception of FM2+ which is compatible with both FM2 and FM2+ cpus (although FM2+ cpus will not work in FM2 motherboards). PGA90x are also each slight modifications of their predecessors. But share little in common with the PGA94x sockets.
Some AM3 motherboards can use AM3+ cpus (bulldozer/piledriver) with a bios update so that second statement isn't entirely accurate either.
PGA940r2 = AM2
PGA940r3 = AM2+
PGA941 = AM3
PGA942 = AM3+
PGA905 = FM1
PGA904 = FM2
PGA906 = FM2+
The PGA94x (AM sockets) are all extremely similar and most of them are backwards/forwards compatible with each other. They are all slight modifications of their predecessors.
The PGA90x family (FM sockets) are very different from the PGA94x family. And they are not backwards/forwards compatible with each other. With the exception of FM2+ which is compatible with both FM2 and FM2+ cpus (although FM2+ cpus will not work in FM2 motherboards). PGA90x are also each slight modifications of their predecessors. But share little in common with the PGA94x sockets.
Some AM3 motherboards can use AM3+ cpus (bulldozer/piledriver) with a bios update so that second statement isn't entirely accurate either.
07-29-2013, 03:02 PM
So, motherboards...
I was suggested this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130693
But this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130686 seems a little better reviewed and comes with a a network card so I don't need to mess with buying a card too.
Are these pretty much the same thing?
I was suggested this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130693
But this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130686 seems a little better reviewed and comes with a a network card so I don't need to mess with buying a card too.
Are these pretty much the same thing?
07-29-2013, 03:16 PM
The latter's a Z77 board; those are older and are meant for Ivy Bridge chips (3570K, anything else starting with a 3). If you're planning on getting a Haswell chip (4670K, anything else starting with a 4), you'll need a Z87 (you physically can't plug a Haswell chip into a Z77). There are hundreds of Z77 and Z87 boards, just search for "Z77" or "Z87" and find whatever board fits your needs.
Also, use PCPartPicker; not only is it super-helpful for organization, it'll also make sure you don't pick a motherboard you can't plug your CPU into, among other obvious and possibly not-so-obvious issues. http://pcpartpicker.com/
Here's my part list, FWIW: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pauldacheez/saved/KUd
Also, use PCPartPicker; not only is it super-helpful for organization, it'll also make sure you don't pick a motherboard you can't plug your CPU into, among other obvious and possibly not-so-obvious issues. http://pcpartpicker.com/
Here's my part list, FWIW: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pauldacheez/saved/KUd
07-29-2013, 03:54 PM
pauldacheez Wrote:Here's my part list, FWIW: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pauldacheez/saved/KUd
>That fantastic build
>TN monitor
![[Image: you_make_me_sad_by_youryaleness-d4nxu82.jpg]](http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/200H/f/2012/028/a/8/you_make_me_sad_by_youryaleness-d4nxu82.jpg)
JT! Wrote:But this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6813130686 seems a little better reviewed and comes with a a network card so I don't need to mess with buying a card too.
1. I don't see a network card listed in the specs. or see one in the product images. Where did you get that idea from?
2. Why on earth do you need a network card?
JT! Wrote:Are these pretty much the same thing?
![[Image: not-even-close.jpg]](http://www.awesome-t-shirts.com/img/T-shirts/not-even-close.jpg)
In addition to what paul mentioned there are a number of other major differences if you read the specs. page for each product.
07-29-2013, 04:11 PM
NV, fixed that, now it's a model with IPS, 120 more vertical pixels, and 3 ms higher pixel response time (like I give a fuck) for $40 more. Not bad. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs24ahp
I chose the other one because Ars Technica's guide had one and I was too lazy to look at monitors properly. But just now I found a slightly better one pretty easily. :P
I chose the other one because Ars Technica's guide had one and I was too lazy to look at monitors properly. But just now I found a slightly better one pretty easily. :P
07-30-2013, 08:05 AM
Warning! Grossly out of date list ahead! It says "last updated 2013" but that's a load of crap.: (Show Spoiler)
Did I mention that I am a god? http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php
A ridiculously in depth review of this monitor based on newegg specs and user reviews since there are no professional reviews of it on the web yet: (Show Spoiler)
Upsides:
1. IPS monitor so great viewing angles
2. IPS monitor so great color accuracy and very vibrant colors
3. Fairly cheap
4. Good response times and input lag for an IPS panel
5. 1920 x 1200 resolution is amazing
6. AG coating to reduce glare
7. Fairly thin non-glossy bezel
8. DVI, VGA, and HDMI inputs. Headphone output.
9. Low power
10. ASUS is a reputable brand with good warranty and support.
11. VESA support
12. Tilt support
13. Dynamic contrast for those few people who care.
14. Decent OSD with plenty of options and presets.
Downsides:
1. It's a 6 bit panel (18 bit RGB) with temporal dithering. They all are in this price range though. The only monitors that aren't are very expensive.
2. It's edge lit LED with PWM. These days the only monitors that aren't cost thousands of dollars (full array LED). I miss CCFL personally.
3. The edge lighting combined with the fact that it's an IPS panel will produce the infamous "IPS glow" (backlight bleeding) which according to reviewers is quite noticeable on this monitor. This creates poor gamma uniformity particularly in darker areas.
4. Not wide gamut. Again only extremely expensive monitors are wide gamut.
5. No stereoscopic 3D support. Not really a big deal.
6. Not 120Hz. Then again there are no 120Hz IPS displays so not much you can do about that.
7. Contrast much lower than a VA panel. TN and IPS panels both have really poor static contrast ratios.
8. Poorer response times than a TN. Not a big deal.
9. Pretty pricey compared to 1920 x 1080 IPS monitors.
10. AG coating will cause the image to appear grainier in bright scenes. It will also hurt black and white levels slightly.
11. No USB or audio I/O. Doesn't matter.
12. No built in speakers. Doesn't matter.
13. Front LED for power on/off/standby. Nothing you can do to avoid this since they all do it these days for some reason.
14. Not the best OSD. Doesn't matter.
15. Not the best resolution or AR. Nothing you can do about that in this price range.
16. No swivel. Nothing you can do about that in this price range.
1. IPS monitor so great viewing angles
2. IPS monitor so great color accuracy and very vibrant colors
3. Fairly cheap
4. Good response times and input lag for an IPS panel
5. 1920 x 1200 resolution is amazing
6. AG coating to reduce glare
7. Fairly thin non-glossy bezel
8. DVI, VGA, and HDMI inputs. Headphone output.
9. Low power
10. ASUS is a reputable brand with good warranty and support.
11. VESA support
12. Tilt support
13. Dynamic contrast for those few people who care.
14. Decent OSD with plenty of options and presets.
Downsides:
1. It's a 6 bit panel (18 bit RGB) with temporal dithering. They all are in this price range though. The only monitors that aren't are very expensive.
2. It's edge lit LED with PWM. These days the only monitors that aren't cost thousands of dollars (full array LED). I miss CCFL personally.
3. The edge lighting combined with the fact that it's an IPS panel will produce the infamous "IPS glow" (backlight bleeding) which according to reviewers is quite noticeable on this monitor. This creates poor gamma uniformity particularly in darker areas.
4. Not wide gamut. Again only extremely expensive monitors are wide gamut.
5. No stereoscopic 3D support. Not really a big deal.
6. Not 120Hz. Then again there are no 120Hz IPS displays so not much you can do about that.
7. Contrast much lower than a VA panel. TN and IPS panels both have really poor static contrast ratios.
8. Poorer response times than a TN. Not a big deal.
9. Pretty pricey compared to 1920 x 1080 IPS monitors.
10. AG coating will cause the image to appear grainier in bright scenes. It will also hurt black and white levels slightly.
11. No USB or audio I/O. Doesn't matter.
12. No built in speakers. Doesn't matter.
13. Front LED for power on/off/standby. Nothing you can do to avoid this since they all do it these days for some reason.
14. Not the best OSD. Doesn't matter.
15. Not the best resolution or AR. Nothing you can do about that in this price range.
16. No swivel. Nothing you can do about that in this price range.
Example of IPS glow (the only real issue the monitor has imo): http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/AndroidVageta/IMG_20120918_185150_zps5433a108.jpg
The amount of backlight bleed depends on the angle. The steeper your viewing angle the worse it gets.
The other issue you might have with it is the anti-glare coating. I don't know if you prefer glossy or matte.
Here. Have a quote of a recent post I made that you might find helpful:
NaturalViolence Wrote:Not bad at all. Here are some links to good monitors on newegg in the $100-200 price range that are 1080p capable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-262&SortField=1&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=4#scrollFullInfo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260109
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009483
They are all IPS panels except for the BenQ which is a VA panel. The very first asus monitor has passive stereoscopic 3D capabilities (line interleaved). But it's more expensive than the others and I don't know how much, if at all, you care about 3D. The BenQ will provide by far the best contrast ratio and deepest blacks but will be worse in every other way. Poorer viewing angles, gamma uniformity, color accuracy, and response times (motion blur) compared to the IPS panels. I need to know what specs are the most important to you.
Do they have to be HDMI capable? DVI is just as good. And do they have to be matte? Matte will pretty much force you to use a lower quality TN panel. How is the lighting in your room? Is it prone to reflections? How important is stand adjustment to you?
They're all 23" or 24" and I think that quite frankly you'll be happy with any of them. The asus monitors are matte, the benq is semi-glossy/mild matte, and the dell and acer are very glossy. I think all of the IPS monitors are e-IPS (which would make sense given the price range) and likely use cheaper 6 bit panels. I need more time to check and make sure.
Overall I do approve of your choice.
07-30-2013, 02:15 PM
(07-29-2013, 03:54 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]1. I don't see a network card listed in the specs. or see one in the product images. Where did you get that idea from?
2. Why on earth do you need a network card?
Erm.. to connect to my router to get on the internet? Isn't that what a network card is?
Thanks everyone, I'll have a look through all the z87's and see what there is.