(07-26-2013, 10:17 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]nsahawks7 Wrote:Basically this: http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_not...ymore.html
The AMD spokesperson said that you should forget about the "AMD vs Intel" deal because they're over it. Although they are focusing on mobile cpu's now, after bulldozer released and ended up being a bust, AMD as a whole decided to go their own way and forget their CPU rivalry with Intel.
This is just typical PR bullshit designed to make investors feel safer. If you take that statement literally (which you shouldn't) that means they have to completely pull out of the x86 cpu business. Which would be bafflingly stupid. That means they can't sell cpus for laptops, netbooks, desktops, nettops, servers, mainframes, supercomputers, or a ton of other stuff that run on x86.
This is the equivalent to saying "We're going to stop trying to exist as a company". Competing with Intel is inevitable in this industry and I'm sure he knew that. His statement was more intended to reflect a shift away from focusing on pure cpu performance.
nsahawks7 Wrote:http://www.hwcompare.com/13467/geforce-g...n-hd-7770/
Technically, the GTX 650 should overall be better than the HD 7770 and @ higher resolutions. Is it? No. Synthetically, to reach the potential of a GTX 650 through a Radeon 7770, you need to overclock it about 15%, but is that true? Not at the slightest.
That is the worst comparison that you could possibly come up with. The most important specs. aren't listed and there is absolutely no benchmarking data.
Look at some benchmarks/reviews if you want to compare these two cards.
nsahawks7 Wrote:Not sure if the architecture is the same for CPU but that's my two cents. Also, an FX 9xxx (Basically an 8350 OC to 5 Ghz) is similar to an i7/high end i5 in performance overall.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/har...ghz-9.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/har...ghz-8.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/har...ghz-7.html
Look at 3D Mark and such, what you said is partially true but even in 3D Mark, a synthetic benchmark, it still does a good job.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/har...ghz-5.html
so yeah Synthetically, your statement is true, but real life benchmarks it probably won't happen evident in the links above. Single thread is still an issue though, but the rest, AMD isn't too far behind.
What statement is true? Since you're not quoting specific sentences I still have no idea what you're talking about.
Those benchmarks are terrible. The FX-9590 is literally just an overclocked FX-8350. It has the exact same super high voltage and TDP as if you did the overclock yourself. Except it costs $800 which means it competes with the i7-3960x in price. The i7-3960x beat it in every single benchmark while maintaining half the power consumption. That's pretty bad. Since the FX-9590 has already been overclocked to 220w TDP there is almost no room left for overclocking. The Intel cpus on the other hand have lots of room left for overclocking. The 3960x can easily hit 4.6GHz on air cooling (a 20-30% overclock) and still maintain a lower TDP.
If you're willing to OC a $200-250 Intel cpu will crush it. If you're not willing to overclock a $600 Intel cpu will crush it. And with substantially less power consumption. Either way it's a terrible product.
Since this has such a high TDP and pricetag (and therefore ludicrous cooling requirements) very few OEMs and end users are willing to adopt it. This is why Intel doesn't bother putting out a 4.2 or 4.5GHz cpu.
Honestly, I don't see how that quote translates into that. Maybe it's just me, but it's not equivalent to saying "we are done building CPU's, we give up." Distinctly, they're different, marketing or not, it came from their mouth.
The rivalry will still be there, but AMD isn't focusing on Intel and how they can beat them anymore, they're doing their own thing.
2. My link to the 650 v 7770 was there on purpose, no benchmarks. It's to show you that synthetic benchmarks and specs vs specs don't always work out, just like synthetically, an FX-83XX should be better than an i7, but in reality, we both no that is not true...I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. Also, scroll down. ALL the specs are listed there.
I used synthetic benchmarks because you used synthetic theories to show that to compete with Haswell, AMD needs to do what you stated in the quote below, which is not true. Synthetically yes, if you use math and all that it will probably be pretty close. But it's not the case.
Quote:Just for reference they need a 40% increase in IPC with no drop in clock rate to match the performance of ivy bridge in dolphin. They will need an 80% increase to match the performance of haswell. So they will remain far behind even under the best case scenario. Not to mention haswell has integrated graphics and a lower power consumption (and if you turn off the IGP it has half the power consumption of vishera so its performance per watt is about 3.5 times as high in dolphin). They are so far behind now that there is virtually no chance of them ever catching up.<@Sonicadvance1> skid_au, One day we'll have the technology to examine your brain and learn why you thinkg wrong things
3. Explain to me how those benchmarks are terrible? They're real life situations, 7-Zip, Photoshop, Video editing, and then some synthetic benchmarks to add it in to show how your theory is not very accurate. Also, TrueCript was the only one on there that took real control of multicore prcoessing, the other didn't or it was minimal.
Yeah, I said that the 9XXX is an OC 8350 pretty much and I know the TDP is 200+W, but this is not about that. Overall, AMD is not far behind from intel.
Single threading, intel kills no doubt, but when you look at the facts, this statement quoted below just doesn't match up.
Quote:They will need an 80% increase to match the performance of haswell. So they will remain far behind even under the best case scenario.
I'm not trying to stir an Intel v AMD flame thread, all I'm saying, people need to cut AMD some slack. For their pricing, it really is not bad at all. Intel is better, obviously - but AMD is getting closer and closer...I hope.
From the benches I've seen, its pretty much toe to toe with the 3770K in that department. IPC gains will not only recover lost ground in lightly threaded situations, but it will strengthen the multithreading aspect even more than it is now. After getting in some IPC gains, all AMD needs to worry about power consumption for the less fortunate people who can't afford the slightly higher electricity bill (or folders). Then, those gains will trickle down into their mobile lines, APUs, etc.