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(07-10-2013, 09:56 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]WW is a very lightweight game that doesn't require a fast cpu. And graphics settings don't effect cpu load.

I would recommend looking up settings that other people have used with their FX-8350 on google.

Manual OC'ed to 4.4ghz again, you were absolutely correct, my VRM is cool now (as compared to the incident), setting the Voltages to manual static worked like a charm! I didn't change the multiplier, I did a CPU Bus speed OC to maximize my performance for single threaded programs. (Or so thats what the guy on the tut said and he sounds knowledgeable).

In reference to how hot the VRM is, I can hold my hand on it for 3 seconds (1 Mississippi, etc) before it starts to burn my hand.
My GPU is cold, and my CPU cools down very quickly, on Crysis maxed out settings the CPU was at around 40c, on Prime 95 it floated at 62c for about a minute, and then it started slowly going up, in which I then shut down Prime, but none of the cores stopped working, and the OS seems to be working fine with no BSOD. Only time will tell if my OC is stable, since I'm not going to risk my processor in prime.

I'm going to try 4.5ghz next, which was my original goal.

When you say 12000mm fan, that's 12m. The only kind of thing they make that big is one of these:

omarman Wrote:Manual OC'ed to 4.4ghz again, you were absolutely correct, my VRM is cool now (as compared to the incident), setting the Voltages to manual static worked like a charm!

What did you set the voltages to specifically?

omarman Wrote:I didn't change the multiplier, I did a CPU Bus speed OC to maximize my performance for single threaded programs. (Or so thats what the guy on the tut said and he sounds knowledgeable).

Don't do that. And which specific bus speed did you change?

If you're referring to the HT speed (sometimes mistakenly called FSB) that's not going to do jack shit to improve singlethreaded performance.

omarman Wrote:My GPU is cold, and my CPU cools down very quickly, on Crysis maxed out settings the CPU was at around 40c, on Prime 95 it floated at 62c for about a minute, and then it started slowly going up, in which I then shut down Prime,

Then it's too hot. You either need to lower your voltages or get better cooling. What type of cooler and thermal paste are you using on it right now?

omarman Wrote:but none of the cores stopped working, and the OS seems to be working fine with no BSOD.

It will take a very high temperature to make either of those things happen, especially in short term testing. That doesn't mean that your OC is ideal for long term use, just that it's stable.

omarman Wrote:Only time will tell if my OC is stable, since I'm not going to risk my processor in prime.

That's a really terrible idea. You're supposed to make sure the system is still cool enough and stable enough under the worst case scenario. That's why we use prime95. If you only test less demanding applications then you won't know for sure if your OC is safe.

As long as you don't use stupidly high voltages prime95 isn't going to do anything bad to your processor. Under the worst case scenario you get BSOD and reset your UEFI settings.

Having a controlled BSOD is much better than having a random BSOD one day when you ran a particularly stressful application because you never tested it with prime95.

Ok well I'm at 4.5ghz now. VRM is cooler than before, and CPU idle temps are lower... which is weird but ok.

I tested Super smash bros melee 4x IR 4X AA 16x AF, I had slow downs on stock at the end of the match where they announced the winner. 4.3 had slow downs too, but not as bad, 4.5 has no slow downs what so ever. CPU temp was at 40c GPU temp was at 47c.

I just installed the 2 microsoft hotfixes, I'm going to run Prime95 again, for a little longer, are you sure I wont damage my CPU?

I'm running a Hyper 212+ with the thermal paste it came with

Edit: Okay ran prime95 again, it didnt reach 60c but a core failed. So I think I may have to adjust voltages. I have the NB at 1.38v and the SB at 1.2V
Edit: Bumped cpu voltage to 1.4v, VRM is still cool even during prime95, CPU reached 72c, none of the cores failed, no blue screen, but I just couldn't watch it go any higher, that was after 10 minutes of Prime 95.

What is the core voltage set to?

omarman Wrote:I have the NB at 3.5v

That can't be right. That would destroy the chip immediately during the UEFI boot sequence. Are you sure you didn't mean 1.5v?

(07-10-2013, 11:13 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]What is the core voltage set to?

omarman Wrote:I have the NB at 3.5v

That can't be right. That would destroy the chip immediately during the UEFI boot sequence. Are you sure you didn't mean 1.5v?

I edited my post check it again.

That sounds a lot more reasonable.

Check your temps in AMD overdrive for comparison. Vishera is such an insanely power hungry chip that I'm not totally sure if this is normal for your cooler. It sounds like something is either wrong with your cooling or the reported temperature. Is your cpu fanspeed at max rpm?

(07-10-2013, 11:26 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds a lot more reasonable.

Check your temps in AMD overdrive for comparison. Vishera is such an insanely power hungry chip that I'm not totally sure if this is normal for your cooler. It sounds like something is either wrong with your cooling or the reported temperature. Is your cpu fanspeed at max rpm?

The fan speed is running at 1968rpm or so when it gets above 42c (like I told it to do), I'm running 41c on any other gaming application I'm not all too worried about the Prime 95 results. But if anythings wrong I think it's my application of thermal paste. I used the double line method, but I think I added to much. None of it came spewing out or anything, it didnt spill, but I think that's the problem. You can see a little bit of thermal paste when you look at the CPU, like some got smooshed out a bit. But thats what I was going for, to have the heatsink spread the paste for me.

I dont think I tightened the hyper 212 hard at all, it's held on there by the force of gravity for the most part, Im scared of over tightening and damaging my cpu.

And as for our debate about microstuttering, you were correct. Running crysis, it runs great at max settings usually at 60+ fps, but every now and then it will dip to 50 for a little bit, and it's noticeable. I'm going intel on my next rig for sure.

It's supposed to be very tight. When you get a chance try reapplying the thermal paste and reseating the heatsink. You want to make sure a very thin layer of paste is present across the entire surface of the cpu before you place the heatsink on. If the fan is not running at max speed kick it up to max.

Also compare your temps against another application like AMD overdrive.

I want to see what's causing these temps. If everything checks out we'll check the power consumption next and try to estimate the temperature based on that to see if it matches up.

As far as microstuttering goes you still don't know for sure if those microstutters are normal framerate dips caused by the GPU not keeping up or cpu side microstuttering. Are your video card drivers up to date?

I'll be gone for a few hours just to let you know. So I won't be able to respond until I get back.

(07-10-2013, 11:48 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]It's supposed to be very tight. When you get a chance try reapplying the thermal paste and reseating the heatsink. You want to make sure a very thin layer of paste is present across the entire surface of the cpu before you place the heatsink on. If the fan is not running at max speed kick it up to max.

Also compare your temps against another application like AMD overdrive.

I want to see what's causing these temps. If everything checks out we'll check the power consumption next and try to estimate the temperature based on that to see if it matches up.

As far as microstuttering goes you still don't know for sure if those microstutters are normal framerate dips caused by the GPU not keeping up or cpu side microstuttering. Are your video card drivers up to date?

I'll be gone for a few hours just to let you know. So I won't be able to respond until I get back.

Ok tightened the Hyper 212+ all the way. Prime 95 has not gone above 70c, I'm starting to think that's my VRM temperature. HWmonitor is saying my 8350 is at 53 celsius. Everytime I touch my VRM it drops 1-2 Celsius, coincidence? HWmonitor is saying my 8350 has hit a max of 54c and I believe it, because the Hyper 212+ is barely warm, the air is hardly hot, my laptop exhaust air is much hotter.

Edit: Ok that was the longest I've run prime95, for about 30 minutes, one core failed. I think I found out what my real cpu temp is, it's 56c max not 73c what a relief. I'm going to up the volts to see if it happens again.

Edit: Bumped up voltage to 1.42, have been testing on Prime 95, haven't stopped it. But I had a wtf moment, after my socket temp reached 74c, I touched it, and it went all the way down to 53c... My CPU temperature is at 30c, did I just fry my computer? Everything is working...

Edit: My temperatures are stable so far, Socket is at 47c not moving, CPU is at around 30c not moving. What? I have an air cooling system how is this possible... Did my CPU throttle to prevent itself from melting? All cores show 100%. I'm going to stick to 4.5ghz... but the temps are real, the VRM is almost room temp.

Edit: Ok so maybe the thermal paste finally set in? I heard rumors that it takes time for thermal paste to work it's magic, I have no clue. I really don't have an explanation for what happened, I'm going to start Prime95 again, if it starts up with the same shenanigans, I'm going to play games see if its throttling, and if its not raise the overclock.

Edit: Restarted PC, tried Prime95, after about an hour or so, got max socket 76c and max cpu 59c, with an average of 71c and 50c respectively. I guess I have room to work with, I could raise it, but for the sake of worry free mind, I'm going to stick to 4.52ghz at 1.42v.

Edit: Ran a passmark test, I got about a 10% higher cpu score than the i7-3770k stock. I'm satisfied. It beat it in everything except single threaded performance, lost by 30% there.