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The 3570K will destroy your Phenom even at stock clocks. Not all games will run full speed, but most will even with LLE audio.

Hope all goes well.

Core 2 Quad is faster than your Phenom II clock for clock , i5 1st generation is faster than Core 2 Quad clock for clock
Core i5 1st gen @ 2.8GHz (Quad core) will knock down any Phenom @ 3.4GHz
i5 3570k is 3rd generation core i series , the performance gap is much bigger

Thanks for the comparison, i knew that there was a big performance difference between a Phenom II and and I5, but i never knew exactly how great it was. I really regret chosing the Phenom II over the i7 when i bought this pc, i chose the Phenom because it was the only model i could find with such a high clock speed. All the I7's i could find either had 2.8GHZ or 2.9GHZ, which i thought wouldnt be enough.

Anyway, axxer made me rethink my choise of upgradable packages, there was not a better package alternative with the i5 however, so 'im looking into buying each part seperately instead. This might also save me some cash though, money isn't the problem here.

Would these 3 parts go fine together?
CPU: http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=660227#extra
Motherboard: http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=760429#extra
Cooler: http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=628604#extra

I've considered the corsair h100, but i don't think its gonna work with my case.

Other suggestions are more than welcome, i think alot of you guys use newegg. I won't buy from there, but it will do fine as a reference.

The CPU and mobo are great choices, but liquid cooling could be overkill depending on how high of an overclock you want really. A good air cooler would work fine too. I don't know prices in your area at all, but if the H60 can be considered cheap to you then go for it because it will do the job very well at 4.2 GHz I would think (although a ton of factors could change this).

I think you would be better off with an air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo (make sure you get that model right, because the other 212s aren't as good). Get some good thermal paste too.

I'm not sure about how much i would neeed to overclock, but playing xenoblade with lle while having full speed constantly would probably require and overclock to 4.4GHz. Atleast thats what i've read. Tales of symphonia with LLE would likely require something like 4GHZ aswell (for the menus atleast, they are ridiculously slow). I might try Pandoras Tower and The Last Story aswell, but that depends upon how good the games run.

Anyway, the Corsair H60 is about 86USD, and the Corsair Hyper evo 212 is about 48USD. So i guess the water cooling is roughly twice as expensive, but as i said, money isn't an important factor, but i'll consider the Hyper 212, that (should?) be easier to maintain aswell.

Thanks again Axxer

EDIT: DAMN, that's actually ALOT more than what you paid for your cooler, might wanna rethink this.

(10-15-2012, 04:28 AM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure about how much i would neeed to overclock, but playing xenoblade with lle while having full speed constantly would probably require and overclock to 4.4GHz. Atleast thats what i've read. Tales of symphonia with LLE would likely require something like 4GHZ aswell (for the menus atleast, they are ridiculously slow). I might try Pandoras Tower and The Last Story aswell, but that depends upon how good the games run.

For Xenoblade some people will say 3.6 are enough but I recommend 4.0GHz .
TOS and Pandora's Tower will work fine around 4.0GHz too.
TLS will require 4.2-4.3GHz (with 3570k)

(10-15-2012, 04:28 AM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure about how much i would neeed to overclock, but playing xenoblade with lle while having full speed constantly would probably require and overclock to 4.4GHz. Atleast thats what i've read.

Then you have read wrong. I can run xenoblade fullspeed with LLE on only i5 2400 cpu.
Look at my tests here :
http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/showthread.php?tid=25545&page=2
However,if you are planning on keeping 5770 gpu,then that's what gonna bottleneck you,not your cpu.
I have 460 gtx which I think is slightly faster then your card,and fps in xenoblade went from 29 to 20 when I beefed up graphics options.
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(10-15-2012, 04:28 AM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]Tales of symphonia with LLE would likely require something like 4GHZ aswell (for the menus atleast, they are ridiculously slow).

Tos also runs fullspeed on my system.

(10-15-2012, 04:28 AM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]I might try Pandoras Tower and The Last Story aswell, but that depends upon how good the games run.

Well,these two games are different story. Pandoras Tower suffers from constant stuttering,which are caused by shaders beeing compliled.
I am not sure even if 5 ghz cpu speed would remove this problem.

Last story is even worse,I think it need 5 ghz sandy or ivy to run fullspeed.
This is the only trully demanding game I found.

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(10-15-2012, 04:38 AM)LordVador Wrote: [ -> ]TLS will require 4.2-4.3GHz (with 3570k)

Have you tested this ? Its posible to get constant 30 fps in the city with latest dolphin revision with only 4.2 ghz ?
I doubt it,because I get 18 fps with 3.2 ghz....

Or to put it this way,I get 18 fps with last story and 29 fps with xenoblade.
They are both 30 fps games.
So to suggest they need even remotely similiar cpu speed to run fullspeed seems ridicolous to me ! Last story needs atleast about 1 ghz more then xenoblade !
So if we take your recomendation for xenoblade which is 4.0 ghz then recomendation for last story would be 5 ghz,not 4.2 !!!

(10-15-2012, 04:38 AM)LordVador Wrote: [ -> ]Have you tested this ? Its posible to get constant 30 fps in the city with latest dolphin revision with only 4.2 ghz ?
I doubt it,because I get 18 fps with 3.2 ghz....

Or to put it this way,I get 18 fps with last story and 29 fps with xenoblade.
They are both 30 fps games.
So to suggest they need even remotely similiar cpu speed to run fullspeed seems ridicolous to me ! Last story needs atleast about 1 ghz more then xenoblade !
So if we take your recomendation for xenoblade which is 4.0 ghz then recomendation for last story would be 5 ghz,not 4.2 !!!

No I don't think 4.2GHz are enough to get constant full speed in TLS.

Let me explain :
With the 4.0GHz I need for Xenoblade I would probably need 5.0GHz for TLS .
If 3.6GHz are enough 4.6GHz should be enough for TLS. Garteal with his 2500k to 4.5GHz got the game working almost perfectly with slowdowns from time to time. And I suppose less than 4.5GHz are enough with 3570k.
So I agree with your 1GHz more between Xenoblade and TLS.

I was answering DarkSharingan and there were two parts in his question. He wanted to know how high he would need to OC for full speed in Xenoblade and how Pandora's Tower and TLS were working. So my post would have been like this :

Quote:To get full speed in Xenoblade some people will say 3.6 are enough but I recommend 4.0GHz.
TOS and Pandora's Tower will work fine around 4.0GHz too.
TLS will require 4.2-4.3GHz (with 3570k) to work fine too

Work fine here didn't mean full speed of course

@LordVador
Thanks for the info, yeah, i guess saying i needed 4.4GHz for fullspeed with LLE on Xenoblade was overkill, i've nerver tried the game with LLE so i don't know how much more it takes over HLE.

@rpglord

"Then you have read wrong. I can run xenoblade fullspeed with LLE on only i5 2400 cpu.
Look at my tests here :
http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/showt...545&page=2
However,if you are planning on keeping 5770 gpu,then that's what gonna bottleneck you,not your cpu.
I have 460 gtx which I think is slightly faster then your card,and fps in xenoblade went from 29 to 20 when I beefed up graphics options."

No offense, but saying you can run xenoblade fullspeed with LLE on I5 2400, doesn't really help me when you didnt tell me your clock speed.

"Tos also runs fullspeed on my system."

Again, i don't know your clock speed. The game runs fullspeed MOST of the time with LLE on my current system, but whenever i enter a menu that contains alot of content i get some major slowdown. Rest of the game works fine, but i'm talking about what would be required for 0% slowdown whatsoever. I do however, thank you for finding the neat little "VBEAM + LLE + LLE on thread + idle skipping off trick (i've read the thread). That REALLY helps with the menus.

"However,if you are planning on keeping 5770 gpu,then that's what gonna bottleneck you,not your cpu.
I have 460 gtx which I think is slightly faster then your card,and fps in xenoblade went from 29 to 20 when I beefed up graphics options."

This i don't understand. I have a decent graphics card which works well with Dolphin. The only way my card would bottleneck the CPU would be if i raised the GFX options to something that the card couldn't handle right?

"Well,these two games are different story. Pandoras Tower suffers from constant stuttering,which are caused by shaders beeing compliled.
I am not sure even if 5 ghz cpu speed would remove this problem.

Last story is even worse,I think it need 5 ghz sandy or ivy to run fullspeed.
This is the only trully demanding game I found."

I'm aware that these games are demanding, especially TLS, that's why i said that i might or might not play them depending on how they ran.

@LordVador
Thanks for clarifing

(10-15-2012, 10:20 PM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]No offense, but saying you can run xenoblade fullspeed with LLE on I5 2400, doesn't really help me when you didnt tell me your clock speed.

Its 3.2 ghz Sandy Bridge which is a little bit slower clock-for-clock then newest ivy bridge which is what you are planning to buy.
Its equal to about 3 ghz i5 3570k for example.

(10-15-2012, 10:20 PM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]The game runs fullspeed MOST of the time with LLE on my current system, but whenever i enter a menu that contains alot of content i get some major slowdown.

Game certanly cant run fullspeed on phenoms or core 2 quads ( older cpus ) unless heavily overclocked.
It needs atleast sandy bridge to run fullspeed.

(10-15-2012, 10:20 PM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]Rest of the game works fine, but i'm talking about what would be required for 0% slowdown whatsoever. I do however, thank you for finding the neat little "VBEAM + LLE + LLE on thread + idle skipping off trick (i've read the thread). That REALLY helps with the menus.

Thank you No slowdowns in the menus whatsoever here.
I am too lazy to retest everything now,it might go just a couple of fps under 60 in heavy battles with lots of charaters,magic etc..
Maybe like 57 fps instead of 60
Everything alse fullspeed.

(10-15-2012, 10:20 PM)DarkSharingan Wrote: [ -> ]This i don't understand. I have a decent graphics card which works well with Dolphin. The only way my card would bottleneck the CPU would be if i raised the GFX options to something that the card couldn't handle right?

That is correct,but my card for example coudln't handle 3xIR+4xAA in Xenoblade ( thats when fps went down to 20 from 29 )
Thats not really some unreasonable settings,but it is not something both you and me can use,atleast not in xenoblade.
Enabling only 3x IR and leaving AA off is what you can do in Xenoblade.
I might be able to pull 4x IR (also AA off) off,havent tested it