DennistheII Wrote:I'd go with AMD only because of better fabrication.
They both use 28nm fabrication right now so please explain.
DennistheII Wrote:Plus AMD on average offers better performance for the dollar then nvidia.
This depends greatly on the application. At the same price point AMD cards generally have better performance in d3d10/11 applications that their drivers have been optimized for. Nvidia cards still beat them in d3d9 and openGL performance and are generally less picky about optimizations (which is why applications that haven't been optimized for either are more likely to favor nvidia cards).
DennistheII Wrote:Plus you may or may not run into this but AMD cards on average perform better with Open GL. Which if you go on Open GL forums sites a few people have issues with nvidia cards and I never heard of complaints from ATI owners. But that said good luck with your build.
OpenGL performance and compatibility is better on nvidia cards for all three major OS (on a whole, some applications may still favor AMD cards). So I'm not sure what you're talking about. On linux in particular AMD drivers are loaded with openGL problems.
As a general rule of thumb if you just want to run AAA games or openCL appications on a windows PC AMD is usually better. If you want to do anything else with your GPU it is highly recommended that you grab an nvidia card.
Well on the open GL issues with nvidia cards being fixed that's not true. I have a nvidia card and had issues with mine and trying to figure out why I used these forums and google and people do have issues. However I didn't get a brand new or latest card. So yes maybe the very latest models are fine. Some rule their applies with 28nm fabrication. Not counting mac computers but the PC market a lot of not old cards but not the latest and greatest cards are heavily sold still , third party or direct. Don't get me wrong I prefer nvidia that's why I have one but overall considering what's still out their being sold either privately or online shopping like new egg I think ATI cards are an safer bet if your unsure. But it all depends on your computer setup on what you need. But again I still like nvidia better but amd cards have a stronger reputation for having less issues overall and of course for the most part amd cards are cheaper. So considering everything I think for someone who is unsure about either card amd would be better. To be honest I think I'll do some more research on nvidia fabrication being completely on par with amd's lines not to sure about that one but I was giving my opinion on experience with both brand cards so I'm no expert. Since my hardware budget limits me at times. I don't experienced the latest and great cards until their a year or two old
. But the prices depending on things sorry but amd cards are cheaper maybe you can think of a few examples proving me wrong but hardly the norm with those two companies overall. Of course nowhere as big of difference as intel and amd products but still
Quote:I have a nvidia card
How many Nvidia cards do you own ?
I have quite a few Nvidia GPUs from the very old one (7300GT) to the 500 series .
None of them have OpenGL issue . There is only 1 NVidia GPU that is incompatible with Dolphin : Nvidia GT 240
Not only Nvidia GPU , even AMD had problem with Dolphin
http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-radeon-hd7000-series-extremely-bad-performance-in-dolphin-d3d11-backend
I got blamed because I recommended AMD 7750
and the very old integrated AMD/Intel/Nvidia GPUs are also incompatible with Dolphin (like blackscreen- dolphin does not run , polygon all over the screen , graphic issues ....)
Edit : I do admit the 7300GT has some problem with OpenGL (graphic error on a certain GPU demanding game) , Nvidia 9800GT is fine though
I've owned quite a few over the years of both. Nvidia mostly on my time with win95-winxp and now more of a mix on Mac OS 10.0-10.8 aka tiger- mountain lion. I think I either mistyped or ppl are reading into my comments a little much but let be put it this way. In my opinion based on experience I think nvidia makes for the most part better pure performence cards but at times some issues with Open GL. Minor but still. My quadro cards were flawless but no directX 11 support but I had 2 gtx cards and the one I have now is the 470( third party palit) my first dolpfin version I used 3-5-367 on one game only I had issues with some textures. Believe that version used Open GL 2.1 but my weak ati 5700 was fine. I upgraded to the latest build and no issues. While I was trying to troubleshoot this I come across similar posts on google search with somewhat similar issues. Not really a big deal but the ati counter part or lesser card didn't have such issues. I like the performence of nvidia cards so troubleshooting this was no biggie but granted this card I have isn't new but still. In my experience ATI cards seem to never have any little issues like this with me. And speaking experience I had an 7300gt and never had a issue with open GL or direct x. I guess it all depends on what app your using.
Can't confirm this but I've heard that nvidia cards have some issues with AMD machines. I wouldn't know because I like intel chips. Have you ever experienced that? Since I'm in the amd vs nvidia post I'd thought I'd ask if there's any truth to that. Just curious
Quote:I guess it all depends on what app your using.
Dolphin - Wii game (Sengoku Musou 3 ) and Jap PC games (Dynasty Warriors 6)
And the GPU is ASUS EN7300GT Silent (Passive cool) .Though it's garbage but it's really durable (still working until now) unlike my Asus 9800GT :/ ( 3x9800GT cards were dead , 1 card fail per year . Good job Asus ! )
Ah , So you use a Nvidia card on OSX . That's the problem XD
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/524162/opengl/possible-osx-driver-issue-with-shaders-/
Lol. I would of used this in windows but I got the wii remote plus and Microsoft Bluetooth stack ruined that venture.lol
...alright.....I'm slightly bothered by the things I'm reading. Time to pick apart your post for flaws.
DennistheII Wrote:Well on the open GL issues with nvidia cards being fixed that's not true.
Which issue? There are many openGL issues on every video card. On a whole nvidia cards have far fewer and far less major issues. That doesn't mean they're perfect though.
DennistheII Wrote:Some rule their applies with 28nm fabrication.
What is this sentence supposed to mean?
DennistheII Wrote:Not counting mac computers but the PC market a lot of not old cards but not the latest and greatest cards are heavily sold still , third party or direct.
DennistheII Wrote:Don't get me wrong I prefer nvidia that's why I have one but overall considering what's still out their being sold either privately or online shopping like new egg I think ATI cards are an safer bet if your unsure. But it all depends on your computer setup on what you need.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. Are you trying to say that more old nvidia cards are sold than old AMD cards? And that you should avoid nvidia because of that?
Older nvidia cards are definitely a safer bet than old amd cards considering how much better nvidias driver support for older products tends to be.
DennistheII Wrote:but amd cards have a stronger reputation for having less issues overall
This is the sentence that drives me up the wall. This could not be further from the truth and makes me wonder where you have been spending your time online. AMD/ATI has a much worse reputation for issues in general across virtually the entire internet. This has remained true since the 90s and is still true today.
DennistheII Wrote:and of course for the most part amd cards are cheaper.
DennistheII Wrote:But the prices depending on things sorry but amd cards are cheaper maybe you can think of a few examples proving me wrong but hardly the norm with those two companies overall.
This makes no sense. Both brands offer a wide range of products from $30-$1000. Virtually every AMD/Nvidia card has an equivalent at the same price. Neither one is cheaper than the other.
DennistheII Wrote:To be honest I think I'll do some more research on nvidia fabrication being completely on par with amd's lines not to sure about that one
Just look up the current manufacturing process for HD 7000 and geforce 600. It takes 15 seconds on google. You should have done that before you posted.
DennistheII Wrote:Since my hardware budget limits me at times. I don't experienced the latest and great cards until their a year or two old.
That's ok. You can always look stuff up if you don't know. You don't have to make assumptions based on your experience.
DennistheII Wrote:Of course nowhere as big of difference as intel and amd products but still
This is completely incomparable to the situation that we're talking about. We're talking about driver issues and API support here. CPUs don't have drivers, both are equally stable in all scenarios (with the exception of some microcode problems that are so rare they might as well not exist).
DennistheII Wrote:Can't confirm this but I've heard that nvidia cards have some issues with AMD machines.
That makes no sense.
DennistheII Wrote:In my opinion based on experience I think nvidia makes for the most part better pure performence cards but at times some issues with Open GL.
The truth is the exact opposite. AMD cards have better "pure performance" and crappier openGL support.
DennistheII Wrote:In my experience ATI cards seem to never have any little issues like this with me.
You've been extremely lucky then. For most people it's the reverse.
admin89 Wrote:Ah , So you use a Nvidia card on OSX . That's the problem XD
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic...-shaders-/
This makes a lot more sense. But you can blame apple for that, not nvidia (not that it matters).
Wow that's a lot to read lol. I wasn't blaming nvidia I gave my opinion on resent experience. And most of your other comments; guy you really need to spend some time with google. Your own advice.lol and as far as blaming apple over nvidia I didn't and who cares who's fault it is makes no difference. On issue is an issue. If i were to do that about any of the top three Os or hardware used for them id die of old age before id finish. I gave my opinion on my experience recently not an published product review. Oh and about your smart comment it takes 20 secs to use google, I did and the unbelievable thing happened I ran into a bunch of posts in forums claiming the opposite of most of what you just said. I'd explain to you what conclusion you should get from that but there's really no reasoning with a closed mind.
Please proofread your posts in the future. I know it makes the process of posting longer and more tedious but some of your sentences are difficult to understand due to spelling or grammatical errors.
DennistheII Wrote:Wow that's a lot to read lol.
Not really. It's only one or two paragraphs at the most. The quote tags make it appear longer than it actually is.
DennistheII Wrote:I wasn't blaming nvidia I gave my opinion on resent experience.
I don't really care if you were since it's irrelevant. You had a legitimate issue with their hardware. I'm certainly not saying you didn't. But that doesn't really make any of what you said about prices, openGL support, fabrication, amds reputation, etc. true.
DennistheII Wrote:And most of your other comments; guy you really need to spend some time with google. Your own advice.lol
I take it there are parts you disagree with? You're certainly welcome to respond to them.
DennistheII Wrote:and as far as blaming apple over nvidia I didn't and who cares who's fault it is makes no difference. On issue is an issue.
Indeed. Which is why I stated that.
DennistheII Wrote:If i were to do that about any of the top three Os or hardware used for them id die of old age before id finish.
Do what? And with what hardware? This sentence doesn't make sense without context.
DennistheII Wrote:I gave my opinion on my experience recently not an published product review.
I wasn't expecting one. I was simply pointing out some statements you made that were either wrong or don't make sense. For example you simply can't claim that AMD cards are cheaper or that they have better fabrication based on your experiences. Those are statements that are simply not true based on publicly available data published from the manufacturers (MSRP values and fabrication specifications in this case).
DennistheII Wrote:Oh and about your smart comment it takes 20 secs to use google, I did and the unbelievable thing happened I ran into a bunch of posts in forums claiming the opposite of most of what you just said.
Although you did not specify what issue you were having I was well aware of the issue that you were referring to once admin89 posted it. It's been well known for a few years now on these forums. I probably should have guessed since it's really the only issue nvidia cards have with macosx. If I had looked at your profile and seen which OS you were using I would have figured it out. I am confident that I have likely read whatever posts about the issue that you have read since I was active on these forums when the issue was first discovered.
The issue you are referring to is a completely valid issue but does not have anything to do with most of the comments you made. None of these posts claimed the opposite of what I said since none of them commented on any of the issues either of us have been referring to. At no point have we debated the validity of the issue you experienced with dolphin or even mentioned what the issue was.
DennistheII Wrote:I'd explain to you what conclusion you should get from that but there's really no reasoning with a closed mind.
How have you come to the conclusion that I have a closed mind? That generally requires a back and forth debate first. Which has only just begun.