The best solution for games that ran better under the 3.5 HLE audio is to...use that version.
But I would like to impress upon you that if users are intentionally using outdated versions of software because they actually function (for them) better than the newer version, that is a sign that maybe there's a problem with the latest iteration. More features doesn't necessarily mean better; and in this case if more accurate DSP emulation actually means lower quality audio, that is a use-case scenario where the less-accurate but fully-functional HLE was actually better.
Though certain games that require annoying things like safe texture cache accuracy (or worse, EFB copies to RAM) are problematic when it comes to synced audio; these things are slow, and the game likely will run a bit slower at certain points...leading to irritatingly choppy audio.
It seems to me that introducing an option into the menu allowing users to choose between older and newer HLE implementations, /or/ the audio syncing functionality of it (if such a thing is possible...), would provide a desirable option for every user (except the games that never worked).
(04-20-2013, 03:28 PM)Ironlion Wrote: [ -> ]But I would like to impress upon you that if users are intentionally using outdated versions of software because they actually function (for them) better than the newer version, that is a sign that maybe there's a problem with the latest iteration.
There is no problem with the latest iteration. We all knew, or at least should have known, that more accurate DSP emulation would come with a performance hit.
(04-20-2013, 03:28 PM)Ironlion Wrote: [ -> ]More features doesn't necessarily mean better; and in this case if more accurate DSP emulation actually means lower quality audio, that is a use-case scenario where the less-accurate but fully-functional HLE was actually better.
It's not better. It was terrible many games required LLE or sounded/functioned much better with it. This is now no longer the case. Most games will now run great using DSP HLE, likely without as high system requirements. Also the Zelda Microcode emulation wasn't touched so if the games using it are performing worse now it is the result of something else not the new AX microcode emulation.
(04-20-2013, 03:28 PM)Ironlion Wrote: [ -> ] It seems to me that introducing an option into the menu allowing users to choose between older and newer HLE implementations, /or/ the audio syncing functionality of it (if such a thing is possible...), would provide a desirable option for every user (except the games that never worked).
The goal of the emulator is accuracy. The devs will not keep legacy code like the old DSP HLE; it was crap anyway and there is absolutely no point in keeping it. The overarching goal of dolphin is accuracy; while its requirements may go up and down through the many revisions it will ultimately become more demanding. Also it was, if I'm not mistaken, stated during the initial ax rewrite that the old version of DSP HLE would not be kept.
Quote:.. introducing an option into the menu allowing users to choose between
older and newer HLE implementations, /or/ the audio syncing
functionality of it (if such a thing is possible...) ..
I think it's a good idea but it's not going to happen because either it's not possible or the developers are too pigheaded with their AX-HLE ..
As long as AX-HLE doesn't work fine with most games and causes so many new issues and slowdowns, the old HLE still should be an option ..
Quote:... It was terrible many games required LLE or sounded/functioned much
better with it. This is now no longer the case. Most games will now
run great using DSP HLE, likely without as high system requirements ...
Is that so? Well I couldn't complain about it .. And AX-HLE isn't that great at all .. Let's talk again when the music-loop issue is fixed finally ..
Quote:The goal of the emulator is accuracy.
For an emulator Dolphin works really good .. And if it needs more and more power we have to wait until the day CPUs with up to 5Ghz are coming ..
(04-20-2013, 11:40 PM)slax65 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's a good idea but it's not going to happen because either it's not possible or the developers are too pigheaded with their AX-HLE ..
As long as AX-HLE doesn't work fine with most games and causes so many new issues and slowdowns, the old HLE still should be an option ..
For an emulator Dolphin works really good .. And if it needs more and more power we have to wait until the day CPUs with up to 5Ghz are coming ..
Calling the developers names is probably not a good idea. I tell you what, if you want to be a dick about it, the developers will give you a full refund, oh wait, Dolphin is FREE. If you want old HLE, use 3.5 as it still has it and is still supported...or get a batter CPU that can run LLE...I have one
Also, 5GHz? Without overclocking you will likely never see a CPU that high without a HUGElY different way we manufacture CPUs
Quote:Calling the developers names is probably not a good idea.
Being pigheaded about something is insulting for you?
Quote:.. the developers will give you a full refund
More than banning me wouldn't be possible .. And it just would be a confirmation for me, that some people here are unable to deal with criticism ..
Quote:.. If you want old HLE, use 3.5 ..
I do, but I have to waive possible improvements in the future ..
Quote:..or get a batter CPU that can run LLE...I have one
Nice for you .. I'll let you have my a/c no. and you can transfer around 500€ or more .. I'd be very happy
Quote:Also, 5GHz? Without overclocking you will likely never see a CPU that high without a HUGElY different way we manufacture CPUs
It's really a shame that CPU's got stuck at around 4 Ghz for so many years.. But we'll see .. Future's bright ..
Whichever way you look at it some of the comments here are simply disrespectful. If you really don't want to upgrade you can always contribute and attempt to fix the issues you are having as dolphin is OS after all.
Quote:.. some of the comments here are simply disrespectful ..
I totally disagree ..
Post me some phrases and I will think about it ..
Quote:If you really don't want to upgrade you can always contribute and
attempt to fix the issues you are having as dolphin is OS after all.
Unfortunately, I'm no programmer .. But I'll be starting an apprenticeship this year as a qualified IT specialist .. So maybe in about 3 years I could help you, but I don't think that I'll be needed by then anymore ..
Perhaps that is not what you intended, but came across in such a way when I was reading through the thread - to me at least and apparently others posting here. Text on the net sometimes is misinterpreted and all that...
It would probably be more constructive posting any issues you have with specific games on google code listing in detail how to reproduce etc, also ax-hle is still being worked on as far as I know so its likely some of your problems will be fixed. It's also quite possible dolphin will get slower as it gets more accurate in newer revisions, so if you are having speed problems even now newer revisions probably won't be of much use.
Quote:Text on the net sometimes is misinterpreted and all that...
Tell me about it .. I'm not an English native speaker so some phrases may appear ruder than they were meant to be .. I think that's not possible to avoid ..
Quote:It would probably be more constructive posting any issues you have with
specific games on google code listing in detail how to reproduce etc
I think it wouldn't be constructive at all and I better don't, or I maybe enter something wrong .. I prefer the forum for reporting issues and after a small discussion like this we all see if it's worth to make an entry for it ..