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Most likely, yeah. There would still be an issue with guides (which are currently on the main site, the forums and the wiki...), but it's your recent game threads that made me think about this a bit more.

Great idea Delroth, I agree with all of that.
Perhaps you should create a Wikibot user of some sort on the forums to automatically create the threads when one gets made, or isn't made.

Will you have the OP update whenever there's an update on the wiki? (Like embedding a page in the first post)
Or will you 'cache' the wiki, thus saving the post in the forum database, which will check every hour or so for updates.

The guides should also be open to contributers. You decide if you want it to be open for a select active group, or open to all.

I take that as a complement actually.
For quite some time it have bothered me to see outdated game threads, but rushing in creating over 20+ new ones maybe wasn't the best solution to deal with it.
I'm glad I did of course because now we maybe can set things right with this brilliant idea.

(11-06-2012, 08:26 PM)Garteal Wrote: [ -> ]Great idea Delroth, I agree with all of that.
Perhaps you should create a Wikibot user of some sort on the forums to automatically create the threads when one gets made, or isn't made.

Will you have the OP update whenever there's an update on the wiki? (Like embedding a page in the first post)
Or will you 'cache' the wiki, thus saving the post in the forum database, which will check every hour or so for updates.

The guides should also be open to contributers. You decide if you want it to be open for a select active group, or open to all.

I don't think automating the creation of threads is really required - only a very small amount of work is required anyway, and it's not like new wiki pages are created every 5 minutes.

The first post of the thread will obviously be automatically updated with the latest version of the wiki page, otherwise there would be no point to this at all

Perhaps I misunderstood then.
The wiki has a lot of games already created, and creating them manually on the forums again, will take a while, so having it done automatically by a bot would be the easiest solution.

Well I was mainly concerned about the spammers/bots/trolls that break Wiki pages everyday.

I'm looking forward to this change. Keep us posted, delroth.

I'm not sure about automating that mostly because most wiki pages will need modifications to be usable as nice game discussion threads. I don't think all of the game articles on the wiki include infos like recommanded settings, screenshots, etc.

The majority of spammers and bots have been taken care of with a new captcha system on the wiki. There are still trolls, but they can be reverted and ip-banned.

Great idea! Some people even don't know, that Dolphin has a wiki.

btw: We have a new rank called "Wiki contributor"?

Quote:btw: We have a new rank called "Wiki contributor"?

It should really say "Wiki Administrator", as that's what it's being used for. Anyone can contribute at any time, even without having a username. It's a wiki, after all. The goal is for everyone to be a contributor.


Forum integration with the wiki should be pretty seamless. It already has recommended settings (Configuration, as it's called over there) feature built in. It works a little differently, as it only shows things that relate to problems, but it's the same idea. It assumes you have set it up according to the defaults or the performance guide, and just shows things to fix problems after that. Adding game screenshots will be easy, we can just use a gallery, but we'll need to get a standard prepped (thumbnail size, formatting, etc) since it hasn't been used much. The testing area will be a little bit of an issue, but we can make adjustments here to keep things from getting too cluttered.

The main difference between the old game pages and the wiki is in methodology. It's something that really can't be changed, as it's a fundamental part of every article on the wiki, and well, why change what works great? Basically, all problems and settings assume the latest Git release, updating and changing based on what goes on with development. Of course, the latest official release is not ignored; problems that were present in 3.0 and have since been fixed are kept on the wiki and shown as strikethrough, with a comment on when it was fixed if it's known. Some time after 4.0 comes out, the old strikethroughs will be cleared to make way for new ones as more things are fixed, just as 2.0 based problems were cleared out after 3.0 appeared. Because of that current development view, things like recommended builds are not a good fit on the wiki (though you could always suggest a build in testing or in a forum post below the wiki post). Plus, recommended builds are subjective, which is something else that the wiki tries to avoid. Take gamepad configurations, for example. It varies based on the game, the console, the controller the player is using, and even tastes! It is highly subjective, so it doesn't belong on the wiki and should be on the forum instead. For comparision, the wiki has the Configuring Controllers guide, but it focuses entirely on the mechanics of setting controllers, without recommending button A for action B. You can always just put controller configs on the forum in a post, after all.

Of course, these are all general guidelines, and there are a lot of gaps here and there (especially in keeping articles up to date), but those are the goals that the wiki aspires to follow, and it's worked pretty well for us so far.

Quote: (though you could always suggest a build in testing or in a forum post below the wiki post)

Yeah, that should be done. Recommended builds aren't subjective.
They're recommended for a reason, plus it's one of the most frequently asked questions.
To reduce the amount of unnecessary questions related to recommended builds, it should be mentioned somewhere.
Either the first post or second post.

Hmm, well, here's how I think of it. There are ALOT of Dolphin builds. And there are alot of settings in each build, settings that are multiplied by the various backends. No one has tested a game in every single revision in every single possible combination of settings. No one. They will only have the builds that they have tried, and what settings they have tried; all of which varies from person to person. Of those builds, they'll have a favorite. And someone else will have a favorite. They could both be right, or they could be be wrong, or one right and one wrong and vice versa. Even if they compare the two and one comes out on top, what happens when a 3rd guy comes with a favorite. Or a 4th? This could go on forever. But most likely, it would just settle after no challenges or 1 or 2 challenges, and massive numbers of build and setting combinations would be left untouched. Basically, even though there might be a perfect balance between performance and accuracy somewhere out there, the limits of human patience means we probably aren't going to find it or agree on it. And in that way, it's subjective. And let's not forget that Dolphin is rapidly advancing (and yes even performance goes up at times, wait till Hashless is merged), so even if one is agreed upon, it likely will be tossed out in a few weeks/months as a big fix appears.

Plus, all the game threads were just recommending 3.0 anyway . The new mainpage already does that, several times even. Hopefully that will take care of the problems you were having with people asking about what build to use.