In my opinion, the best developer out there that I have the most respect for is Oracle (although the entire company seems like a bunch of acquisitions now). They have paid hardware and paid software, but they also have kept a bunch of open source projects alive. They have a business, but they also give back to the community.
I love open source software, but I want to get a job in programming. That can't happen if closed source doesn't exist.
There are also some things I'm not willing to pay for, and that I might want to chip in on, and those are great for open source.
(08-04-2012, 12:31 AM)KHRZ Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing wrong with capitalism, untill free products emerge, and old monopolies tries to kill them of to save their own profits.
(I'd call this the corrupted form, where people try to argue that profits matter, while actual creation of value doesn't)
That is what's very wrong with it atm. And not only this but the fact that most of world's governments are nothing but puppets of transnational corporations.
Also today's economics is nothing like classic capitalism ideas, market is anything but free, and you can make money using money, without any real product to trade.
Well.....I have successfully derailed another thread. Sorry folks.
(08-04-2012, 04:45 AM)Axxer Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion, the best developer out there that I have the most respect for is Oracle (although the entire company seems like a bunch of acquisitions now). They have paid hardware and paid software, but they also have kept a bunch of open source projects alive. They have a business, but they also give back to the community.
They also tend to kill open source projects by buying the trademark or the company hiring the project leader then taking full control over the direction of the project. See: OpenOffice (forked to LibreOffice), Hudson (forked to Jenkins), MySQL (forked to MariaDB), and probably a lot of other projects I can't remember. They also have a big pool of patents they use to attack other open source projects (the recent Java/Android case comes to my mind) and use FUD to disrupt community projects like CentOS (and get people to use their "fork" of RHEL instead of CentOS).
Oracle is probably one of the worse companies in term of relation to the open source community at the moment. If you exclude Btrfs I'm not even sure if there is one widely used open source project that was actually started at Oracle.
@delroth I agree on the OpenOffice/LibreOffice thing, but I am personally ok with a company wanting to change the direction of an open source project. Someone can then make a spinoff, and everyone can get their wish. That works for me.
I just have to disagree with you on the Android comment. Google took Oracle's proprietary code and used it for itself, which is just wrong. The spin-offs above were different; it was people originally involved in the project splitting from where it was heading to keep their vision going. Google just flat-out took their code, and it is really obvious when you look at the comparisons. Oracle then protects their property rights and fights back. I see nothing wrong with that.
One of the open source projects I was thinking of when writing this was VirtualBox. It works great and is (now) completely open source, with optional closed source packs available from Oracle (because they contained proprietary code).
When you look at the projects as "It's all free and open anyway, so change it if you don't like something" approach to open source, it is really pretty nice. The projects are still there to check out and what not, so you/I/someone random can make their own branch of the project.
I gotta go, so we'll just disagree on this one.
(08-04-2012, 06:52 AM)Axxer Wrote: [ -> ]I just have to disagree with you on the Android comment. Google took Oracle's proprietary code and used it for itself, which is just wrong. The spin-offs above were different; it was people originally involved in the project splitting from where it was heading to keep their vision going. Google just flat-out took their code, and it is really obvious when you look at the comparisons. Oracle then protects their property rights and fights back. I see nothing wrong with that.
You're completely wrong about that. The only thing that could even be copyright infringement was a small part of a function which 1. was completely trivial (could have been a coincidence to write the same code twice); 2. was written by the same guy at Sun and Google (he was employed at Sun then was employed at Google). Oracle argued that Google could not reimplement the Java standard library and a Java virtual machine because the names of the APIs were copyrighted. They also tried to use some of their patents on bytecode representations in order to prove Dalvik was infringing on their patents, but it turned out to be wrong.
There is still the Hudson project takeover (basically, Sun was hosting the projects server and infrastructure, and when Oracle bought Sun they said "all of this is ours" and kicked the original team) and the FUD against CentOS you haven't talked about.
I've been following their Linux blog since the day it opened, and look forward to playing on Ubuntu in the future. Also, can anyone point me towards an in-depth guide to getting Dolphin running on Linux? I banged my computer around for a few hours and only succeeded in subscribing to a repository that interrupted itself several times to tell me a few files were unavailable.
Have you tried the instructions on the
Google Code wiki? For Debian based systems, getting all of the necessary dependencies is as easy as running the "apt-get" command listed on the page. Running the other listed commands builds Dolphin just fine over here.
Those are the instructions I followed, and I wasn't able to download everything.
What didn't download all of the way, the dependencies from the "apt-get" command or the Dolphin code from the "git clone" command?
If it's the dependencies, it sounds like an issue with Ubuntu's repos. I've never had an issue installing Dolphin on Debian systems using only the default repos, though. If you really can't get your repos to behave, you can just install the dependencies via source (download and compile yourself). When you build Dolphin, it'll complain about any missing dependencies anyway, so you'll know if you forgot something.