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(07-19-2012, 11:42 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Part of that is the fact that I like retro studios development style so much. Other M was one of the worst games I've ever played, a complete insult to the franchise. I'm really sad to see retro moving on to other IPs but I suppose it's time. They made donkey kong country returns too and that was another one of my all time favorite games.

:O
Whoa, it's the first metroid game I actually enjoyed since Super Metroid :S
And I really like Fps games, it's just that it has the exact look and feel I always thought the series should have... It seemed to me like a natural conversion to 3D from the old 2D games, I never liked much the prime series, but that's just my opinion..

About DKCR, I liked it, but for someone that grew up playing the priginal DKC it just doesnt have that.. charm.. that used to be present in all Rare games
I really miss them and it's sad to know we'll never have smth like DKC, Conker, Banjo Kazooie. I am in some nostalgic phase of my gaming life, cause I miss so much the colorful n64 era. I like the serious approach modern games have and all, but Im getting so sick of just shooters, shooters, shooters, Rpg, shooters and more shooters.
I mean, Mario Galaxy is the living proof that colorful 3D platformers can be successful with modern graphics and mechanics. It's one hell of a game. The level design is clever, the gameplay is fluid, and Id totally play it if the character was not Mario, but some other folk. The thing is apart from Nintendo, everybody is putting the biggest minds of the century to work on war games and shit.

Look at Cliff B (Gears of War creator). He spent most of the last decade working on the franchise and nothing fucking more. One of my most loved games of all time is Jazz Jackrabbit, a colorful 2D shooter for DOS, by yours truly Cliffy B.
WHY IS EVERYONE WHO USED TO MAKE DIFFERENT, INOVATIVE GAMES TURNING TO RIDDICULOUS PRE MADE SHOOTERS? I wouldnt be surprised , if Miyamoto announced he is working on a fucking fps..
Not that I have anything against first person shooters, I love them actually. My favorite PC game is Crysis 1. My problem is there is no mre variety! Shit, when Batman: Arkham Asylum came out, I thought ok, now if this game is a big hit other games like that will start to come out, but all we got so far is its sequel.

I reminisce the memories of me playing Crash Bandicoot on my friend's ps1, how we spent hours trying to clear it with all those secrets. And dont anybody try to tell me about those Crash games for wii, these jokes made with pre-written generic code and models are an insult. The thing is the only kind of game that gets any budget nowadays is FPSs..
The only company that really steps away from that today is Nintendo, and they are too busy making minigame collections and casual shit too move their asses.
Dang, how would I love to see a good spaceship shooter, imagine e a starfox game with modern graphics and mechanics, just dramatize the plot like they did to metroid on Other M and they have a giaranteed hit. Or smth like Metal Slug on modern standards. I also miss a good FZero, Wave Race, 1080 Snowboarding, and that's only talking about Nintendo franchises, I have a bunch more for PC. Fury3 for starters. Also hopefully Tomb Raider is going to fix up some of this disgraceful mess, let's see. Assassins Creed is doing some of this job but what would really do it would be a decent new Prince of Persia from Ubi.

Whoa, I took lot off my chest here
Well, I was talkng about my favorites, so I'm not really off topic
This stuff really bothers me, I really hope this situation changes a little with the WiiU.
Anyways, here are them:

PC:
- Crysis
- Starcraft 2
- Max Payne 3

Xbox360/Ps3/Ps1
Dont own them :p

Ps2
- Didnt own ps2, but Devil May Cry 3 and a Prince of Persia: Warrior Within guaranteed several great afternoons at friends houses.

Arcade:
- Metal Slug, All of them!!

Ds/3Ds:
I really dont care.

SNES:
- Donkey Kong Country
- Super Mario World
- Sonic Wings

N64 (hard to pick three):
- Zelda Ocarina of Time
- Super Mario 64

(07-19-2012, 09:53 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]-Donkey Kong 64 (that's right I loved it and there is nothing you can say to erase those happy memories)

^This (©ED2)

GC (again, hard to pick):
- 1080 Avalanche
- Wave Race Blue Storm
- Super Mario Sunshine (Yeah, you read right :p)

Wii:
- Mario kart Wii
- Mario Galaxy
- New Mario Bros Wii

That's it! I have some weird tastes dont I

Prepare for a patented "NaturalViolence angry WoT". So go grab some popcorn while you still have the chance.

First act of heresy, enjoying Metroid: Other M in any way, shape, or form:

Quote::O
Whoa, it's the first metroid game I actually enjoyed since Super Metroid Confused
And I really like Fps games, it's just that it has the exact look and feel I always thought the series should have... It seemed to me like a natural conversion to 3D from the old 2D games, I never liked much the prime series, but that's just my opinion..

This is how that game made me feel:


The game consists mainly of three types of moments:
1. Running through hallways mashing buttons watching auto aim kill everything in sight
2. Tedious boss battles and other encounters were you run around switching between first person immobile missile fire mode and third person movement mode trying to pop off quick shots because the control scheme is so retarded you literally cannot fire missiles and move at the same time. Battles like this don't feel challenging, they just feel long and tedious. Even mmorpg combat is more enjoyable than this
3. The cutscenes. Oh god where do I start. Everyone, especially samus, says and does the most retarded things possible. The things samus says are so painfully awful to listen to that I found myself cringing in pain every time. A feeling that has only ever been matched by the attempted romantic scenes in the star wars prequels. Samus repeatedly tells us things we already knows and acts like a stupid 12 year old girl with a crush. I won't even bother going into specific details here because if I did this post would never end.

I don't know what was worst about this game. The gameplay mechanics? The plot? The story? The dialogue? The boss battles? Everything was so terrible I can't really pick one out to stand about the rest.

Act of heresy number 2, implying Miyamoto would ever work on an fps:

Quote:I wouldnt be surprised , if Miyamoto announced he is working on a fucking fps..

This would obviously never happen for reasons that everyone already knows.

Act of heresy number 3, claiming a lack of variety either in fps or in video games in general (I'm not sure which of those statements you're trying to make here):

Quote:Not that I have anything against first person shooters, I love them actually. My favorite PC game is Crysis 1. My problem is there is no mre variety!

Either way you're dead wrong.

Act of heresy number 4, saying this:

Quote:The thing is the only kind of game that gets any budget nowadays is FPSs..

Not even close to being true. RPG, RTS, action/adventure, mmorpg, etc. all get insane budgets these days. SW: TOR is by far the highest budget video game ever made and it's an mmorpg.

Act of heresy number 5, hypocrisy:

Quote:The only company that really steps away from that today is Nintendo, and they are too busy making minigame collections and casual shit too move their asses.

You state this as a bad thing then continue to list casual nintendo classics as your favorite games and games that you would want to see continued. Do you not see the hypocrisy in making this statement?

Act of heresy number 6, claiming something like this hasn't been made:

Quote:Dang, how would I love to see a good spaceship shooter, imagine e a starfox game with modern graphics and mechanics,

So I'm guessing you've never played a rogue squadron game? Or any other modern space shooter for that matter?

Act of heresy number 7, implying other Ms plot was dramatic and/or good:

Quote:just dramatize the plot like they did to metroid on Other M

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. Anyone who would want other Ms plot style to be imitated by something else should have no consumer power as far as I'm concerned.

Act of heresy number 8, implying that improved sales:

Quote:and they have a giaranteed hit.

No. The word metroid and the 2.5D style improved sales, that's it.

Act of heresy number 9, implying a modern metal slug would be a good idea:

Quote:Or smth like Metal Slug on modern standards.

I'm guessing you're saying that another 3D metal slug would be a good idea. *Points to metal slug 6*

Act of heresy number 10, implying that getting a decent prince of persia from ubisoft is even possible:

Quote:Assassins Creed is doing some of this job but what would really do it would be a decent new Prince of Persia from Ubi.

Remember the last few prince of persia games? Do you really want more of them?

Act of heresy 11, more hypocrisy:

Quote:PC:
- Crysis
- Starcraft 2
- Max Payne 3

You talk about generic fps sequels as a cancer that is killing the industry then list Max Payne 3 as one of your top 3 favorite PC games of all time. Have you lost your mind?

And there you have it. 11 counts of heresy.

I don't understand how so many people can talk about the lack of variety in the industry and all of the sequels then in the very next few sentences list sequels they want made and games that want to see remade. This is exactly why this exists in the first place. Because everybody else wants to see there childhood favorites remade and/or continued with nearly identical sequels.

I can't believe no one added the SNES Star Fox to their list, that would have almost been on my top 3 list.

oh my god starfox for the snes was the best, i played the hell out of that game as a kid.
Any time someone says starfox 64 is the best i scream and then die a bit inside.

Star Fox 64 was the best :3

NV Wrote:Rage gif

Lol, was Other M THAT bad?

NV Wrote:1. Running through hallways mashing buttons watching auto aim kill everything in sight

That's terrible. But then again, I'm not surprised because every console game has it.
Even Prime does.

NV Wrote:2. Tedious boss battles and other encounters were you run around switching between first person immobile missile fire mode and third person movement mode trying to pop off quick shots because the control scheme is so retarded you literally cannot fire missiles and move at the same time. Battles like this don't feel challenging, they just feel long and tedious. Even mmorpg combat is more enjoyable than this

Your last statement is exaggerated. MMO combat is (usually) point and click and wait for the enemy to die.
I'm sure you'll find Metroid more fun.
The switching between 1st and 3rd person does sound nice, but being a stationary target in 1st person when you fire does suck.

NV Wrote:I don't understand how so many people can talk about the lack of variety in the industry and all of the sequels then in the very next few sentences list sequels they want made and games that want to see remade. This is exactly why this exists in the first place. Because everybody else wants to see there childhood favorites remade and/or continued with nearly identical sequels.

Quote for truth.

I agree with the rest mostly.
Nice WoT btw, getting better with each of 'em.

(07-20-2012, 09:34 AM)ExtremeDude2 Wrote: [ -> ]Star Fox 64 was the best :3

GEYHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Quote:Lol, was Other M THAT bad?

Worse, so much worse. There is no image on the internet that can fully describe my hatred for that game. It was nothing more than a cheap attempt to use the name of a well established franchise to make a quick cash grab from rabid fanboys (like half of all AAA titles are unfortunately, but this one was particularly bad). It is insulting to so many people that this game was even made. Luckily it sold poorly so I doubt nintendo will make the same mistake again. I can confidently say that team ninja will not be making another metroid game again, ever.

Quote:That's terrible. But then again, I'm not surprised because every console game has it.
Even Prime does.

Trust me, this is a whole new level of button mashing. At least prime had many different weapons and dodging to make it more than "run forward and mash A rapidly".

Quote:Your last statement is exaggerated. MMO combat is (usually) point and click and wait for the enemy to die.
I'm sure you'll find Metroid more fun.
The switching between 1st and 3rd person does sound nice, but being a stationary target in 1st person when you fire does suck.

No this is worse.

MMORPG combat is usually boring and repetitive. It can be easy or hard. I feel indifference.

This is easy, yet annoying and slow. I feel frustrated even though I can't possibly die. You have to try it yourself to fully understand just how annoying it is.

I know why this happened though. They either couldn't decide between fps and tps mechanics or they wanted to capture both audiences. So at some point in the games development some dumbass said "why don't we try and do both by switching between them? Shooting in first person and moving in third person." and instead of replying "that's a terrible idea, please go kill yourself you worthless idiot" the rest of the developers went along with it and actually thought it was a good idea. How this thought occurring is a mystery that I will never be able to solve. Any experienced game developer should know better than to do this. I have absolutely zero sympathy for team ninja or their crappy sales.

Let's go them

Firstly, I can't see how other M made you feel :/ (the img is broken)

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]1. Running through hallways mashing buttons watching auto aim kill everything in sight
2. Tedious boss battles and other encounters were you run around switching between first person immobile missile fire mode and third person movement mode trying to pop off quick shots because the control scheme is so retarded you literally cannot fire missiles and move at the same time. Battles like this don't feel challenging, they just feel long and tedious.

This block of text could almost also be used to describe Metroid and Super Metroid, (and maybe even the first God of War). I like it because the gameplay is as straitght forward and simple as the old games used to be but in a 3D environment.. And I agree about the cutscenes, but I also like clone wars even tough everybody says the text sucks (and it does) so I can easily ignore that ^^

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 2, implying Miyamoto would ever work on an fps:

Quote:I wouldnt be surprised , if Miyamoto announced he is working on a fucking fps..

This would obviously never happen for reasons that everyone already knows.

Yeah, that was a joke I did because the great majority of game designers that earned his name with platformers in the 90s now works mostly with first person shooters.
Obviously Miyamoto is an exception.

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 3, claiming a lack of variety either in fps or in video games in general (I'm not sure which of those statements you're trying to make here):

Quote:Not that I have anything against first person shooters, I love them actually. My favorite PC game is Crysis 1. My problem is there is no mre variety!

Either way you're dead wrong.

I meant in video games in general, which is what I'm was basically complaining about through all my text. And I really feel that. I was really generalizing a lot and only considering big franchises, but see, if you take away the shooting games from nowadays, what's left? Two or three big fighting franchises, another two or three big soccer games, another three or four *decent* street racing games, one or two pro racing games, and it goes on like that. Now count how many big shooting franchises do we have? I think I could reach 20, at least, even when considering only famous hits.
Back in the snes days we got loads of franchises in basically every gender out there. Tons of fighting games, tons of space shooters, tons of 2d sidescrollers, tons of 2d shooters, etc.
I know you are gonna disagree hardly with this but I really feel like that. I can think of lots of good fps games that has been released in the last 4 years, but ask me about other genres and I will be able to list you a few franchises at most.

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 4, saying this:

Quote:The thing is the only kind of game that gets any budget nowadays is FPSs..

Not even close to being true. RPG, RTS, action/adventure, mmorpg, etc. all get insane budgets these days. SW: TOR is by far the highest budget video game ever made and it's an mmorpg.

Which ones? please, I need to know, I'm really desperate. The only title that comes to my mind is Uncharted (which is a perfect example of the kind of game I think the industry is missing, with the latest Prince of Persia and Tomb Raiders being so awful) but I cant play it cause I don't have a PS3

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 5, hypocrisy:

Quote:The only company that really steps away from that today is Nintendo, and they are too busy making minigame collections and casual shit too move their asses.

You state this as a bad thing then continue to list casual nintendo classics as your favorite games and games that you would want to see continued. Do you not see the hypocrisy in making this statement?

Oh come on! I'd never even use the word 'classic' in the same statement as 'casual'. To me, casual games are the stupid kind of crap that has started being made about 6-7 years ago, most of the times games made out of only a bunch of puzzles or minigames, made for the kind of person who can't stand to spend more than 1 hour per day playing videogames, games like Wii Sports, nintendogs, all the crap Rare now makes for kinect, and all the shit that was made for cellphones before the Iphone. And I'm not saying those games were all bad. I really enjoy wii sports, for example, But I'd rather have an specific franchise for each sport, because that would greatly increase the technical quality of the game. And casual games don't care about that. You want to understand what I'm saying just compare Wave Race 64 and Wave Race Blue Storm (which I don't consider casual) with the joke they put on Wii Sports Resort to be the Jet Sky sport. The first ones are praised for the gameplay quality and have several game modes, unlockables and hours of gameplay, not to talk about technical details like race narration. The second one isn't even a full game and can be totally beat in a single afternoon.

If I'm misusing the term 'casual' here then please correct me, but I don't remember this word being used like that before 2005 or so. You can't deny there is huge a difference between Serious Sport Simulators and games like Wii Sports and Kinect Sports, and that can be applied to other genres. Again, it is not that I don't like casual games, I just think it would be better if they were made as other serious games. Like Pikmin. Pikmin had everything to be a casual game, yet Miyamoto managed to turn it into a complex strategy game. A casual game as I see it is a game that anyone can play and nobody really cares if you are good at it, it is just for the fun. Serious games are games that are easy to *learn*, relatively easy to finish, and extremely difficult to master, rewarding the best players with secrets and etc. Again, like Pikmin. It's not a game that you can play individual matches without mattering if you are just jerking around or playing for real. You have a time limit, and your performance on each day can affect the entire "campaign". There is a meaning in all that seed gathering, a bigger objective to be reached.

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 6, claiming something like this hasn't been made:

Quote:Dang, how would I love to see a good spaceship shooter, imagine e a starfox game with modern graphics and mechanics,

So I'm guessing you've never played a rogue squadron game? Or any other modern space shooter for that matter?

Of course I played Rogue Squadron, it's one of the best space shooters ever. Now tell me, where are the modern space shooters you talk about? I'd love to see something like RS today, but there is literally no decent 3D space shooter since like, 2005. The last rogue squadron is from 2004 iirc, starfox assault is from 2005, and the current generation has nothing like that. If you could tell me a good space shooter from smth around 2009 or newer, I'd be veeery much pleased and would buy it first thing tomorrow!

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 7, implying other Ms plot was dramatic and/or good:

Quote:just dramatize the plot like they did to metroid on Other M

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. Anyone who would want other Ms plot style to be imitated by something else should have no consumer power as far as I'm concerned.

All right, I got you hate it
I must admit the plots in the prime series were a bit more complex, but I don't find it all bad.

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 8, implying that improved sales:

Quote:and they have a giaranteed hit.

No. The word metroid and the 2.5D style improved sales, that's it.

You may be right, but whatever. I bought it because I wanted to know why Samus became a bounty hunter and I ended up enjoying it a lot more than I expected. You are making me concerned. I'm gonna play this game again next week to make sure I wasn't highly drugged when I first played it. I really liked it
And I still don't know why she is a bounty hunter

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 9, implying a modern metal slug would be a good idea:

Quote:Or smth like Metal Slug on modern standards.

I'm guessing you're saying that another 3D metal slug would be a good idea. *Points to metal slug 6*

God no! I'm not that idiot. I meant a normal metal slug game but with 2d ragdoll physics and pre-rendered 3D graphics, like the sprites in DKC.

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy number 10, implying that getting a decent prince of persia from ubisoft is even possible:

Quote:Assassins Creed is doing some of this job but what would really do it would be a decent new Prince of Persia from Ubi.

Remember the last few prince of persia games? Do you really want more of them?

That is true, sadly. Warrior Within was one of the best games of my childhood, I really wanted them to make a good PoP game again, I still thing the only thing everyone bothers to do right nowadays is shooting games :/

(07-20-2012, 07:33 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Act of heresy 11, more hypocrisy:

Quote:PC:
- Crysis
- Starcraft 2
- Max Payne 3

[b]You talk about generic fps sequels as a cancer that is killing the industry[b] then list Max Payne 3 as one of your top 3 favorite PC games of all time. Have you lost your mind?

You got that wrong:

Quote:Not that I have anything against first person shooters, I love them actually. My favorite PC game is Crysis 1. My problem is there is no mre variety

I love shooters, and I don't want them to be in less number. My problem isn't with the proportion, let them have dozens of FPSs if they want, just also make dozens of other genres. Games have decreased in quantity per time, and a lot. The SNES had 700 US games. N64 was just over 400. The wii hardly had 300. But for some reason in this process some genres have decreased more in number than others, which bothers me a lot.

Quote:I don't understand how so many people can talk about the lack of variety in the industry and all of the sequels then in the very next few sentences list sequels they want made and games that want to see remade. This is exactly why this exists in the first place. Because everybody else wants to see there childhood favorites remade and/or continued with nearly identical sequels.

Then again please list to me some good action adventure games from the last 2-3 years that arent sequels, I'm eager to play them.. Cause I can think of plenty FPSs that fit that description. Right now sequels are what are keeping the game genres I love alive.

*NaturalViolence assumes full control over the thread for debate purposes*
*NaturalViolence apologizes to SS who he knows just wanted to have a friendly thread that didn't get hijacked*

Quote:This block of text could almost also be used to describe Metroid and Super Metroid, (and maybe even the first God of War). I like it because the gameplay is as straitght forward and simple as the old games used to be but in a 3D environment.. And I agree about the cutscenes, but I also like clone wars even tough everybody says the text sucks (and it does) Big Grin so I can easily ignore that ^^

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The 2D metroids didn't have autoaim. And they certainly didn't have that move or shoot not both bullshit.

Quote:Then again please list to me some good action adventure games from the last 2-3 years that arent sequels, I'm eager to play them.. Cause I can think of plenty FPSs that fit that description. Right now sequels are what are keeping the game genres I love alive.

You need to start looking at indie games. They have been filling in the action/adventure genre lately.

Quote:I still think the only thing that really big developers bother to do right nowadays is shooting games rpgs, and mmorpgs:/

Fixed that for you.....mostly.

Quote:I meant in video games in general, which is what I'm was basically complaining about through all my text. And I really feel that. I was really generalizing a lot and only considering big franchises, but see, if you take away the shooting games from nowadays, what's left? Two or three big fighting franchises, another two or three big soccer games, another three or four *decent* street racing games, one or two pro racing games, and it goes on like that. Now count how many big shooting franchises do we have? I think I could reach 20, at least, even when considering only famous hits.
Back in the snes days we got loads of franchises in basically every gender out there. Tons of fighting games, tons of space shooters, tons of 2d sidescrollers, tons of 2d shooters, etc.
I know you are gonna disagree hardly with this but I really feel like that. I can think of lots of good fps games that has been released in the last 4 years, but ask me about other genres and I will be able to list you a few franchises at most.

This in an of itself deserves an entire post to respond too. You're dead wrong about this. The industry is not just fps, you've just become blind to everything else because they get the most attention in the media. I don't really have time to elaborate on this one.

Quote:Which ones? please, I need to know, I'm really desperate. The only title that comes to my mind is Uncharted (which is a perfect example of the kind of game I think the industry is missing, with the latest Prince of Persia and Tomb Raiders being so awful) but I cant play it cause I don't have a PS3

Action/adventure has become a catch-all genre for everything that doesn't belong in the other well established genres. It's never been particularly well defined.

What type of action/adventure game are looking for exactly?

Quote:Of course I played Rogue Squadron, it's one of the best space shooters ever. Now tell me, where are the modern space shooters you talk about? I'd love to see something like RS today, but there is literally no decent 3D space shooter since like, 2005. The last rogue squadron is from 2004 iirc, starfox assault is from 2005, and the current generation has nothing like that. If you could tell me a good space shooter from smth around 2009 or newer, I'd be veeery much pleased and would buy it first thing tomorrow!

I can't think of any AAA games but there are a number of indie games that fit this description. Have a look on google.

Quote:All right, I got you hate it Tongue
I must admit the plots in the prime series were a bit more complex, but I don't find it all bad.

Other Ms plot was garbage. And it was a plot driven game so this hurt it badly.

The Prime series barely had a plot. It was not plot driven at all. The way the story was told though.....was amazing. Something I have never seen in another video game (although I'm sure that it's been done before). The entire story was told visually through gameplay. No dialogue and no cutscenes. Bits and clues were left throughout the levels to allow you to slowly piece it together if you were paying attention. However you didn't need to understand what was going on to enjoy the game. But if you were able to piece it together it allowed you to appreciate the game on a deeper level. Since you were alone on a foreign planet this method of story telling fit the games theme perfectly. This is exactly how things would play out in rl. If you're going to an abandoned facility on a foreign planet to figure out what happened it is highly unlikely that some guy is going to pop out of nowhere and tell you everything. I felt a great sense of curiosity and wonder as I explored the planets on my own and pieced everything together. The terrific environments and ambiance improved this glorious feeling even more. That feeling of being alone exploring a foreign world was great.

This changing in metroid prime 3 which had dialogue and cutscenes to tell the story like other modern games. I decision that I disliked but was able to overlook due to the other good qualities of the game and the fact that they didn't overdo it like in other M.

Quote:You may be right, but whatever. I bought it because I wanted to know why Samus became a bounty hunter and I ended up enjoying it a lot more than I expected. You are making me concerned. I'm gonna play this game again next week to make sure I wasn't highly drugged when I first played it. I really liked it Tongue
And I still don't know why she is a bounty hunter

That's not explained in any of the video games. That's explained in the manga.

Quote:Oh come on! I'd never even use the word 'classic' in the same statement as 'casual'. To me, casual games are the stupid kind of crap that has started being made about 6-7 years ago, most of the times games made out of only a bunch of puzzles or minigames, made for the kind of person who can't stand to spend more than 1 hour per day playing videogames, games like Wii Sports, nintendogs, all the crap Rare now makes for kinect, and all the shit that was made for cellphones before the Iphone. And I'm not saying those games were all bad. I really enjoy wii sports, for example, But I'd rather have an specific franchise for each sport, because that would greatly increase the technical quality of the game. And casual games don't care about that. You want to understand what I'm saying just compare Wave Race 64 and Wave Race Blue Storm (which I don't consider casual) with the joke they put on Wii Sports Resort to be the Jet Sky sport. The first ones are praised for the gameplay quality and have several game modes, unlockables and hours of gameplay, not to talk about technical details like race narration. The second one isn't even a full game and can be totally beat in a single afternoon.

As far as I'm concerned casual games are games that are easy to sit down and begin playing with a sense of calm. They don't have complex game mechanics that take time to grasp or a high difficulty level.

In the multiplayer arena I consider casual games to be games that attempt to minimize the performance gap between noobs and pros.

These games have always been around. ALL games in the 1970s for example were casual. More complex game mechanics took time to evolve. Most 2D games were casual whether people refuse to see it or not. Just because they were good games or "classics" does not mean that they weren't casual.

Quote:If I'm misusing the term 'casual' here then please correct me, but I don't remember this word being used like that before 2005 or so.

The term was not widely used until recently. It's popularity has increased as gamers have attempted to use it to differentiate games by the audiences that they target. As the gaming industry continues to grow our terminology must also continue to grow to continue to separate the ever increasing number of different games into more descriptive and more manageable categories.

Quote:You can't deny there is huge a difference between Serious Sport Simulators and games like Wii Sports and Kinect Sports, and that can be applied to other genres. Again, it is not that I don't like casual games, I just think it would be better if they were made as other serious games. Like Pikmin. Pikmin had everything to be a casual game, yet Miyamoto managed to turn it into a complex strategy game. A casual game as I see it is a game that anyone can play and nobody really cares if you are good at it, it is just for the fun. Serious games are games that are easy to *learn*, relatively easy to finish, and extremely difficult to master, rewarding the best players with secrets and etc. Again, like Pikmin. It's not a game that you can play individual matches without mattering if you are just jerking around or playing for real. You have a time limit, and your performance on each day can affect the entire "campaign". There is a meaning in all that seed gathering, a bigger objective to be reached.

Let me ask you a simple question. How casual is casual? Where do we draw the line? Things aren't so black and white as most gamers make them out to be.