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$200 for a cpu that:
-performs dramatically worse than the competition in nearly all applications for the same price
-performs worse than its predecessor in many applications
-consumes twice the power of the competition when OC
-runs hotter and tolerates less heat than the competition
-doesn't OC as well as the competition
-requires the use of all 8 cores to achieve the same performance that sandy bridge can get with 4 cores
and so on....

Bulldozer fails every definition that anyone has ever come up with for what makes a microarchitecture "good".

It doesn't even perform well in server applications, which is what it was designed for.

SingingThroughTheStorm

(05-28-2012, 05:26 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]$200 for a cpu that:
-performs dramatically worse than the competition in nearly all applications for the same price
-performs worse than its predecessor in many applications
-consumes twice the power of the competition when OC
-runs hotter and tolerates less heat than the competition
-doesn't OC as well as the competition
-requires the use of all 8 cores to achieve the same performance that sandy bridge can get with 4 cores
and so on....

Bulldozer fails every definition that anyone has ever come up with for what makes a microarchitecture "good".

It doesn't even perform well in server applications, which is what it was designed for.

This.

AMD thought more cores = better. If the previous model out performs the current candidate, then something is wrong. The amount of power used by the FX is insane though compared to Intel's offerings.

I am glad to hear you are pleased with your CPU though. Smile

it wasnt droping at all and the videos are short because the file were big and i dont have much space left and didnt want it to take foreever uploading on youtube and yes fraps slows dolphin down a little bit while im recording but it dosent when im not using fraps and I gabe an in game video with mario running around jumping and shooting the stars
im not trying to argue with ppl just show that it does work since ppl who font even have it try to say it doesnt work and you cant play emus and my foesnt run hot it runs like 40 on loaf after being on for hours im not saying intel not better im just saying its a go0d cpu for price and windows or anything else cant even properly use it yet. and i never get 30fps i never get under 50 anf it stays mostly at 60 and when it drops to 50 sometime its from fraps
You can use a free program like "Format Factory" or windows live movie maker 2011 to compress the video to smaller size
You're using HLE backend while most people here mentioned about full speed with LLE backend
I doubt your CPU can reach half-speed with LLE backend
Without LLE , the game will freeze when you get the grand star and the background music will be cut off
ok when using fraps it does drop a bit sometimes but i have used a phenom 2 X4 and mine did better i also have everything turned up to look better and i have a 1080p monitor but on the most part it runs high and stop comparing an i7 its 300 500 900 and 1000 and 1500 follar cpu and yes i know intel is better but not cheaper i posted new videos and see im willing to admit it falls short of what it could be and i am not overclocked i am not killing my warranty
thanks ill look into it doing it
it keeps saying i need a file a dll to run that
i tried it with overvlocking to 4.2 and its a hell of alot faster but i heard that it messes it up and shortens cpus life span and i dont wanna to that im not made of money
my warranty i want to not void it
Quote:i have used a phenom 2 X4 and mine did better i also have everything turned up to look better
you didn't tell us about that Phenom clock speed . Overclock that Phenom to the same clock speed as your fx 8150 then you'll see

Quote:stop comparing an i7
No one said that in the first place , bulldozer single threaded perfomance was outperformed by Phenom II , Core 2 duo ...not even close to an i3
i5 2500k @ 3.3Ghz (200$) beat the heck out of bulldozer @ 5.0Ghz

Quote:it wasnt droping at all and the videos are short because the file were big and i dont have much space left and didnt want it to take foreever uploading on youtube and yes fraps slows dolphin down a little bit while im recording but it dosent when im not using fraps and I gabe an in game video with mario running around jumping and shooting the stars

You're uploading 10 second videos of games that aren't running at fullspeed all the time and you expect us to be impressed?

Quote:im not trying to argue with ppl just show that it does work since ppl who font even have it try to say it doesnt work and you cant play emus

You can play them sure, you just won't get the same level of performance that you would get from a comparable intel cpu. And you'll have to deal with other problems such as high power consumption, heat, and poor OC as well.

Quote:and my foesnt run hot it runs like 40 on loaf after being on for hours

40C at idle or full load?

Every community, website, or organization that has tested bulldozer has reported relatively high temps at full load.

Quote:im not saying intel not better im just saying its a go0d cpu for price

And we're saying that intel has much better cpus for the same price.

Quote: and windows or anything else cant even properly use it yet.

What the hell are you talking about? If you're referring to the threading issue that was fixed months ago in windows 7/vista and is fixed in windows 8. Neither of which show significant improvement in performance from proper thread allocation.

Linux didn't have the problem to begin with and even on linux bulldozers performance is abysmal. There is nothing that the OS can do to fix bulldozers performance because the issues that bulldozer has are present at the ILP level.

Quote: and stop comparing an i7 its 300 500 900 and 1000 and 1500 follar cpu

Actually the intel cpu that we are comparing it to is the same price in most countries.

Quote:and yes i know intel is better but not cheaper

They're currently better at every prince range for dolphin. For example a $70 intel cpu will blow a $70 amd cpu away in dolphin. You can buy a $100 intel cpu that performs the same in dolphin as your $200 AMD cpu. Performance per dollar is higher. So yes they are better AND cheaper depending on which side of the coin you want to look at.

Quote:i posted new videos and see im willing to admit it falls short of what it could be and i am not overclocked i am not killing my warranty

Well then you've just shown everybody how much value your opinion truly has.

If you want people to start taking you seriously:
1. Fix your grammar
2. Fix your spelling
3. Upload much longer videos that actually show us something worth seeing
4. Don't argue against well established facts using your opinions
5. Don't argue against well established facts without providing any sort of reliable or empirical evidence
6. Don't commit obvious fallacies when posting

Nobody is asking if bulldozer is good or not anymore. Everyone except the most loyal amd fanboys already knows that it's terrible. Every hardware review organization out there is posting analysis articles trying to determine what is wrong with the design of the microarchitecture. Because the only questions left to answer are why it performs so poorly, consumes so much power, and scales so badly when OC.
Can you test The Last Story? Thanks.
ok i will
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