Quote:Nv i wasn't ever futilely trying to convince you to waste money on a Gaming Laptop, I understand that you prefer the stable and stationary benefits of being plugged in, not to mention the savings. Just advocating their merits to the greater masses
Then why did you keep insulting us and claiming we were ignorant to the superiority of laptops? You spoke as if there was no good reason to buy a desktop since laptops are superior by design.
Quote:Fair price, try selling it on the NBR marketplace found here http://forum.notebookreview.com/nbr-marketplace/ . Now i understand why you are against "Gaming Laptops" having dealt with the mediocre hardware prevalent in the Rog lineup. Oh and if you want the powerhouse 11" clevo with the 3612qm quad core (35W) and a Gt 650m, check out other Clevo resellers which are cheaper than Origin.. Here was one of the main threads on Nbr discussing it http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-cl...170er.html .
This is another thing I hate about gaming laptops. The amount of research you need to do to ensure that you buy a good one and the risk of being disappointing with your purchase if there is a design flaw. And god forbid if it breaks then you're really screwed.
Quote:and attempting to curb the plethora of myths that are spouted endlessly, almost in a troll like manor as witnessed by AnyTrollName's most recent comment
Quote:The thing is, that isn't the best desktop processor. If we were willing to spend large amounts of money on a desktop, we'd get a better processor than you can in a laptop.
in response to my link of a laptop with the "Best" Desktop processor the Sandy Bridge Extreme 3960x...
While it is POSSIBLE to use most desktop hardware in laptops it is not usually PRACTICAL to do so. A 3960x has a TDP of 135w and that's without an IGP. Putting that thing into a laptop is going to require a ludicrously expensive custom design that will either be big/heavy or loud depending on how they design the cooling system. Another example would be liquid cooling in a laptop, while technically possible it is not very practical due to design constraints.
(05-08-2012, 03:28 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Nv i wasn't ever futilely trying to convince you to waste money on a Gaming Laptop, I understand that you prefer the stable and stationary benefits of being plugged in, not to mention the savings. Just advocating their merits to the greater masses
Then why did you keep insulting us and claiming we were ignorant to the superiority of laptops? You spoke as if there was no good reason to buy a desktop since laptops are superior by design.
To be fair, the goal of the original thread was to point out "how much better laptops are than desktops". To quote:
OP Wrote:It seems now that not only mobile Cpu's are in the same league (or better i.e The Untouchable 3920xm) than desktop Cpu's, but True Elite Mobile Gpu's as well can compete with over-hyped desktop Gpu's. It wont be long now before even the most obstinate and foolhardy Desktop Deluded Elitists will be forced to reassess their misguided and ignorant beliefs regarding their supposed supremacy to Gaming Laptops.
No, this was the original thread:
http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/showthread.php?tid=19039&page=43
He just started randomly ranting about how glorious gaming laptops are and how stupid desktop users are for not accepting this obvious truth. So I responded the way I normally do to these situations, and it escalated the way it normally does, and then SS created a new thread and moved all the posts into it for some reason.
I think his point was not to call you stupid for using a desktop, his point was to call you (or anyone) stupid for saying that a gaming laptop is not good enough to play high-end games just as a desktop can.
(05-08-2012, 09:38 AM)Starscream Wrote: [ -> ]I think his point was not to call you stupid for using a desktop, his point was to call you (or anyone) stupid for saying that a gaming laptop is not good enough to play high-end games just as a desktop can.
Then that's debatable.
Eyefinity, while possible on *very* few laptops, is unplayable.
Hell, my 5870m can't even play Mass Effect, though I blame Bioware for that (ME2/3 run fine). When you talk the insane games like Crysis 2 or Skyrim (when running mods) even my desktop can be slowed to a chug.
Can laptops run games? Yes. Can they run them as good as a desktop? Nope.
It's been the same since laptops came out. They can always run the same things as desktop computers, but they can't run them as smooth.
You keep mentioning your 5870m as if that means something, the GPU in question in the high-end laptop is much better. That and the CPU is much better. That would be like me trying to compare my laptop to a really good desktop, there is no comparison in that case.
(05-08-2012, 10:08 AM)Starscream Wrote: [ -> ]You keep mentioning your 5870m as if that means something, the GPU in question in the high-end laptop is much better. That and the CPU is much better. That would be like me trying to compare my laptop to a really good desktop, there is no comparison in that case.
And modern desktops are also much better.
I'm comparing a Laptop that was high-end at the same time as my Desktop. The point I'm trying to make is that a Desktop built at the same time as a Laptop, both with the highest end components at the time, will ALWAYS be faster. This is big in Surround/Eyefinity, where even the most powerful of systems can be brought to their knees -- especially if you add in AA/AF/AO/3D. Not to mention draw distance tweaks/texture packs/model replacements/etc.
My other point is it's cheaper to buy a high-end desktop and a long-battery laptop, rather than just a high-end laptop to try and mimic that desktop. And in all honesty, a $500 laptop will run most games.... just on low spec.
I also need to mention that AMD/ATI's drivers are total trash -- have been since my x800, still are now.
(05-08-2012, 11:40 AM)zurginator Wrote: [ -> ]I'm comparing a Laptop that was high-end at the same time as my Desktop.
Your old laptop/desktop comparison doesn't apply. The gap has been closed since then.
(05-08-2012, 11:40 AM)zurginator Wrote: [ -> ]My other point is it's cheaper to buy a high-end desktop and a long-battery laptop, rather than just a high-end laptop to try and mimic that desktop.
That argument doesn't matter either, we're talking about performance, not price. No one ever said that laptops are inexpensive.
(05-08-2012, 11:40 AM)zurginator Wrote: [ -> ]I also need to mention that AMD/ATI's drivers are total trash -- have been since my x800, still are now.
That's your experience, my drivers are fine.
Now, back to the real world. When I run Crysis on all high with my high-end laptop, it will be playing at full speed, just like your high-end desktop. That's the point. I guess you guys are never going to understand the real point here. I'm running out of ways to explain this.
The gap has not closed - the gap has moved.
The new mobile GPUs are close to Desktop performance from 2 years ago. The new Desktop GPUs are nuts.
2 years ago, mobile GPUs were close to Desktop performance from 2 years before that.
For example, go to Vantage (I'm having trouble finding any gaming benchmarks of the 7970m):
http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+HD+7970M/review
The 7970 tops the chart in performance, the 7970m falls just above the 470, so probably close to the 480 -- a 2 year old card.
Also check specs (7970/7970m):
Stream Processors: 2048/1280
Core clock: 925/850
It's the same architecture, so a card with fewer SP's and a 200w lower TDP can't be faster. It breaks the laws of physics. The 7970m is really a downclocked 7870.