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Quote:If we care about surround sound, are we remembering that most modern laptops have an HDMI output, with 7.1 surround sound. Also, do people care about external/add on sound cards, as from what I've experienced (which isn't much) they don't make sounds sound noticeably better, unless there's no sound output already in the form needed.

Oh god yes. I can't stand onboard audio. The intermodular distortion on analog output is terrible. HDMI allows you to output a digital surround sound audio signal but then you need to buy a receiver.

Quote:Sketchup lags past a few thousand tris

You're sure sketch-up is laggy on that laptop? Apart from a freezing issue, which I get on any computer, it runs fine on my school's 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo based computers, which only have their motherboard's on-board graphics. They're definitely worse than that laptop.

(04-28-2012, 11:04 PM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Sketchup lags past a few thousand tris

You're sure sketch-up is laggy on that laptop? Apart from a freezing issue, which I get on any computer, it runs fine on my school's 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo based computers, which only have their motherboard's on-board graphics. They're definitely worse than that laptop.

Oh yeah.... it'll stutter for a second, then everything unloads and is replaced by a box (while rotating, for instance), and then slowly loads back in. This is with shadows and textures disabled.

Really? What version are you using? Also if you could somehow send me a non-working model, I may be able to better tell if the issue is with the complexity of the model being too much for the hardware, or if you've got a bad install, as I'm sure if I can load up a 300MB model on my school's computers (and even get a few frames out of it before a freeze and BSOD) then you should get anything designed for things other than crashing the school's computers to work.

Lots of myths were spouted over the past few weeks during my hiatus, but i only have time to address a couple of them:

No Laptops with 6 Cores/12 Threads
No Laptops with Triple/Quad Channel Ram

Both of these myths are false ofcourse, here is an example of a Clevo model that comes with a Sandy Bridge Extreme Intel® Core™ i7-3960X Extreme 3.3GHz/3.9G Hex-Core CPU (15MB L3 Cache) processor, as well as up to 32GB Quad Channel DDR3 ..
http://originpc.com/eon17-x-gaming-laptop-features.asp

Laptops can house the same overrated desktop components, although your usually better off going for the highest tier Mobile variants which are superior to Desktop components, as seen by the highest clocked 3920xm/3960xm which make a mockery of even the i7 3770k.. Also regarding the deluded post of Zurginator mentioning 3x Gtx 480 being necessary, as you can clearly see from this Notebookcheck chart, the 7970m Crossfire blasts away even the GTX 590 (Dual 580's) http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970M-Crossfire.74305.0.html , so if money isn't a concern Elite Gaming Laptops can brawl with the "Elite Desktops".

Unfortunately my first gen i7 laptop bit the bucket due to a faulty hard drive, so while waiting for my Alienware m17x R4 to arrive I temporarily purchased the best locally available gaming laptop i could for the interim, namely an Asus G75 VW, with an i7 3610qm and a Nvidia Kepler Gtx 660m. The temps and cooling for it are outrageously good, namely in the 30's for both Cpu and Gpu while browsing as seen here http://imageshack.us/f/525/browsingtemps.jpg/ . Gaming on Pcsx2 with an ultra demanding game like Gran Turismo 3 gets me 40's and 50's, with a literally inaudible fan http://imageshack.us/f/840/granturismo3romecircuit.jpg/ .

However, much to my dismay, it would appear that non Elite Gaming Laptops may not be up to par for the most demanding emulation games. It would have been nice to have saved $900 bucks and just stick with this Asus for a respectable $1300 after taxes, however the Elite Alienware may be a necessity to have success with the outrageously demanding Dolphin emulator. It pains me greatly to have to admit this, and watch as Elitists like NV nefariously smile and nod their head saying "I told you so", but only True Elite Gaming Laptops with the highest possible Configurations have a chance at replicating the highest tier desktop performance.

Quote:the highest clocked 3920xm/3960xm which make a mockery of even the i7 3770k.

The thing is, that isn't the best desktop processor. If we were willing to spend large amounts of money on a desktop, we'd get a better processor than you can in a laptop.

Quote:as you can clearly see from this Notebookcheck chart, the 7970m Crossfire blasts away even the GTX 590 (Dual 580's)

a) The 590 is not equivalent to two 580s in SLI as the two cores are underclocked to function without overheating on a single card.

b) You're comparing hardware from two generations.

c) Non-M 7970s in crossfire will beat 7970Ms in crossfire. Also I haven't seen many Quad crossfire/SLI capable laptops with 4 7970s or 4 680s. In fact I haven't even seen any with Tri Crossfire/SLI of even the M variants.

Finally, I've thought of another general desktop argument (if money isn't something we care about):

Not seen many LN2 cooling systems for laptops, have we.

Quote:It pains me greatly to have to admit this, and watch as Elitists like NV nefariously smile and nod their head saying "I told you so", but only True Elite Gaming Laptops with the highest possible Configurations have a chance at replicating the highest tier desktop performance.

At 2-3 times the cost. I don't have $2,000+ to blow on a gaming laptop. And considering I wouldn't take it anywhere I would just end up setting it up with a good monitor and speakers at my desk there would be no point in me spending the extra money.

Typed out a big thing, but then I realized this sums it up much better:

IMO it's worth buying a cheaper laptop ($300-500) and a really nice desktop ($1000-1500), rather than buying that really nice laptop ($2000+ for similar specs) and constantly having to worry about power.
As a matter in fact, thanks for the link.... I'm looking at the EON 11" right now.

(and yes, I do have a performance laptop from back when I built my rig)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg303/zurginator/2011-08-30162511.jpg

(feel free to buy it.... $600 shipped)

Fair price, try selling it on the NBR marketplace found here http://forum.notebookreview.com/nbr-marketplace/ . Now i understand why you are against "Gaming Laptops" having dealt with the mediocre hardware prevalent in the Rog lineup. Oh and if you want the powerhouse 11" clevo with the 3612qm quad core (35W) and a Gt 650m, check out other Clevo resellers which are cheaper than Origin.. Here was one of the main threads on Nbr discussing it http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/653705-new-2012-models-speculation-thread-wxxxer-series-w110er-w150er-w170er.html .

Nv i wasn't ever futilely trying to convince you to waste money on a Gaming Laptop, I understand that you prefer the stable and stationary benefits of being plugged in, not to mention the savings. Just advocating their merits to the greater masses, and attempting to curb the plethora of myths that are spouted endlessly, almost in a troll like manor as witnessed by AnyTrollName's most recent comment

Quote:The thing is, that isn't the best desktop processor. If we were willing to spend large amounts of money on a desktop, we'd get a better processor than you can in a laptop.

in response to my link of a laptop with the "Best" Desktop processor the Sandy Bridge Extreme 3960x...

(05-07-2012, 05:10 PM)SlickDragon Wrote: [ -> ]Fair price, try selling it on the NBR marketplace found here http://forum.notebookreview.com/nbr-marketplace/ . Now i understand why you are against "Gaming Laptops" having dealt with the mediocre hardware prevalent in the Rog lineup. Oh and if you want the powerhouse 11" clevo with the 3612qm quad core (35W) and a Gt 650m, check out other Clevo resellers which are cheaper than Origin.. Here was one of the main threads on Nbr discussing it http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/653705-new-2012-models-speculation-thread-wxxxer-series-w110er-w150er-w170er.html .

Nv i wasn't ever futilely trying to convince you to waste money on a Gaming Laptop, I understand that you prefer the stable and stationary benefits of being plugged in, not to mention the savings. Just advocating their merits to the greater masses, and attempting to curb the plethora of myths that are spouted endlessly, almost in a troll like manor as witnessed by AnyTrollName's most recent comment

Quote:The thing is, that isn't the best desktop processor. If we were willing to spend large amounts of money on a desktop, we'd get a better processor than you can in a laptop.

in response to my link of a laptop with the "Best" Desktop processor the Sandy Bridge Extreme 3960x...

Well, even factoring in the fact that laptop is nearly 3" thick(and a whopping 12 pounds), I wouldn't really trust it to cool that CPU at any decent frequency.....

Also worth noting that you were a little bit off on your GPU there. A single 7970m performs just below a 7870 - same everything with a lower clockspeed. It's obviously faster than my 5870m, but it's also 2 product cycles newer. My 480 tri setup still spits it out like old gum though.... and it should, we're comparing 200w to 750w. I don't see mobile GPUs overtaking it for another cycle or 2, depending on how monstrous Maxwell ends up being.... and irregardless, desktop GPUs will have gone through the roof as well.