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(04-25-2012, 01:46 PM)Starscream Wrote: [ -> ]NaturalViolence: There is so much wrong with your comments that I do not have the time or energy to respond at the moment, I'll have more time tomorrow to straighten you out. Don't go and edit out all your comments until then.

Are you sure you aren't trolling?

But back to the three inch cube argument: yes if we could get that level of power in a small box that would be good, as I could take it places if I wanted to, but I wouldn't use it. For someone in my situation, though, the furthest I'd need to move my desktop would be downstairs to use the TV screen instead of its monitor. I do agree that if you need to be in many places a laptop would be better, though. If I want gaming when I go places other than home it's logo quiz level at school. On the rare occasions I have been travelling, and have been planning on having much free time, I've packed up my XBox, which isn't that awkward, as everyone has a TV, so I could set it up in 3 minutes. The only perfect solution to mobility, yet full usability at home for the same price would be brain implants replacing all forms of computers, which could take a while.

(04-26-2012, 12:52 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: [ -> ]But back to the three inch cube argument: yes if we could get that level of power in a small box that would be good, as I could take it places if I wanted to, but I wouldn't use it. For someone in my situation, though, the furthest I'd need to move my desktop would be downstairs to use the TV screen instead of its monitor.

Well, my 3-inch cube idea was mainly about transforming desktops into smaller, cleaner objects, not necessarily making them ideal for portability. I imagined it being largely stationary, though if you needed to move your work environment, the size would definitely help. Portability just happens to be a side-effect.

It'd still be a desktop, so I envisioned most people using it at their desks, or some other place where it's not often moved. A lot of people still prefer to have a dedicated space where they sit down and get to work, so that's where I'm coming from. Of course, it would make a nice media center or custom game console too.

The main problem is that as hardware is shrunk, we get better hardware, and things which need the better hardware. I doubt that you could get a holodeck working off a laptop, even if it has the power, simply because you need a holodeck to have its own room.

(04-25-2012, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Why on earth did you move this SS?

I felt like having a discussion about it away from a guys PC building thread.

(04-25-2012, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]So....let me get this straight. You wouldn't use a desktop just because they're bigger?

If that's your idea of straight, you're gonna need some help.

I wouldn't buy a desktop. All it can do is sit there, my laptop purchase can sit and go. Why buy a "desktop" to sit and a laptop to go? The laptop does both. It seems like a wasted purchase was just made somewhere, can you see which item lost its purpose because of a dual-purpose item?

You don't even need to be some crazy heavy traveler guy who's always on the move. If I decide to take my computer into the kitchen, living room or bedroom at a moments notice, I can. This is what it's all about, multipurpose and easy to use. This is the reason you would bring your iPod with you if you decided to go for a jog, instead of a tape deck, CD player and speakers.

(04-25-2012, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]And you think that size has something to do with age and technology?

Naturally. Have you forgotten the phonebooth and iPhone pictures? Technology turned a phone the size of a small house into something close to a credit card-sized phone. What would you call that?

(04-25-2012, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that you don't use your NES anymore has nothing to do with how big it is.

It has everything to do with it. I actually play NES games quite often, just not on the actual system. The fact that the system is not as easy to use as say, a small game file on the PC is, that makes it not a viable option anymore.

(04-25-2012, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]You're also missing the fact that desktops can do some things better than a laptop. You're crazy if you think you can be as productive on a laptop workstation as you can be on a multimonitor desktop workstation. Desktops are not inherently inferior to laptops, they are not "older technology". They are the same technology in a different form factor that is better for different types of tasks. They each have their place in the world.

The list of things that "only" a desktop can do is getting very short, soon there will be no list. I'm not going to totally count out a desktop (yet), but I touched on this before, when you have a cell phone that can make calls inside and outside of the house, there is no reason to set up a phone that can only make calls inside the house.

There was more to help you understand, but I think this will do.

Quote:when you have a cell phone that can make calls inside and outside of the house, there is no reason to set up a phone that can only make calls inside the house.

Because it's cheaper. (For this to be a fair comparison we'd need the mobile phone to just be a phone (except it could move) with marginally worse sound quality.)

Quote:I felt like having a discussion about it away from a guys PC building thread.

Fair enough. It was more of an off-topic thread where I could limit the number of people viewing/posting in it. Which is why I liked it.

Quote:So....let me get this straight. You wouldn't use a desktop just because they're bigger?

Quote:I wouldn't buy a desktop. All it can do is sit there, my laptop purchase can sit and go.

Ok so you wouldn't BUY a desktop just because they're bigger? My mistake.

Quote:Why buy a "desktop" to sit and a laptop to go? The laptop does both. It seems like a wasted purchase was just made somewhere, can you see which item lost its purpose because of a dual-purpose item?

Because desktops can do certain things better than a laptop can, they're cheaper for similar specs, and sometimes you don't need mobility. Why pay for a feature that you don't need and doesn't help you accomplish what you're trying to do?

If you need mobility buy a laptop.
If you need a good workstation at home or at work buy a desktop.
If you need a top of the line gaming system buy a desktop.
If you need a cheap gaming system buy a desktop.
If you need a media center buy a desktop.

Quote:You don't even need to be some crazy heavy traveler guy who's always on the move. If I decide to take my computer into the kitchen, living room or bedroom at a moments notice, I can. This is what it's all about, multipurpose and easy to use. This is the reason you would bring your iPod with you if you decided to go for a jog, instead of a tape deck, CD player and speakers.

Yes but you don't tend to do work and gaming on the go. Just simple stuff like web browsing, that's why I don't feel the need to upgrade to a high end laptop.

Quote:Naturally. Have you forgotten the phonebooth and iPhone pictures? Technology turned a phone the size of a small house into something close to a credit card-sized phone. What would you call that?

That's a terrible example. You're comparing two totally different devices that use totally different sets of technology (radio telephony for example). Where as laptops and desktops literally use the exact same technology in different form factors. It's just a bad example to use, just like your plasma screen example. Now this has me thinking of one of my coworkers that just moved into a new apartment a few weeks ago. I helped him setup his new 50" plasma screen TV, he was finally upgrading from an old CRT from the 90s believe it or not. And I can tell you that his new plasma TV was a lot bigger, took up a lot more space, and was a lot heavier than the 25" CRT he was replacing it with. So once again, I get what you're TRYING to say, but those are some bad examples to use. The fact is I can't really think of any device in a similar situation to desktops/laptops. Usually devices don't really shrink while using the same technology, they just get replaced by something totally different using totally different technology that accomplishes the same task. Because of that integrated circuits hold a unique place in the electronics industry.

Quote:The list of things that "only" a desktop can do is getting very short, soon there will be no list. I'm not going to totally count out a desktop (yet),

Laptops have always been able to do everything that desktops can do even back in the late 80s. They are both PCs. However desktops have always been better at doing certain things (gaming, workstation, media center) and this has also always remained true. We're still in the same situation we've always been in whether people realize it or not. Only two things have really changed are:
1. Laptops are finally "good enough" for most people. Whereas in the past they weren't. However this is subjective. The definition of "good enough" is different from person to person. For most people they are good enough for not for everyone depending on what you plan on doing with your PC.
2. A lot of the problems with laptops have been fixed or improved. Battery life and reliability used to be shit in most laptops.

Quote:but I touched on this before, when you have a cell phone that can make calls inside and outside of the house, there is no reason to set up a phone that can only make calls inside the house.

Then why do businesses and homes still use landlines? Oh right because it's way cheaper and provides a phone that doesn't need to move in a convenient spot that's always there.

Edit: By the way you have plenty of time to elaborate on your original post. I'm going to be at uni working on final projects and won't get back until pretty late tonight.

This is a thread that will never end

Quote:in a convenient spot that's always there.

Except when some idiot forgets to put it back on the cradle (but that would be worse with a mobile).

I've made a better analogy:

You need to make no calls or texts, ever, but want to use every other feature of iOS. Do you buy:

An iPad 3 offered to you for £500

An iPhone 4S (for portability) which for whatever reason cost £750, even though the core is an A5, not an AX5 and the screen is smaller.

NV: Why don't you have the name of the person you're quoting in any of your replies? It makes it difficult sometimes when there are multiple quotes from multiple people involved in a post.

(04-26-2012, 05:11 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so you wouldn't BUY a desktop just because they're bigger? My mistake.

I wouldn't buy a desktop because my portable computer doubles as a desktop.

(04-26-2012, 05:11 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Because desktops can do certain things better than a laptop can

That's an opinion. Like I said, the list is small to non existent.

(04-26-2012, 05:11 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Why pay for a feature that you don't need and doesn't help you accomplish what you're trying to do?

Again, that's just an opinion. Maybe you are perfectly content having your PC in one spot forever, but I imagine most people are not. At the very least, you have legs, you're going to be moving at one time or another, chances are you're going to want to easily move your stuff somewhere. Saying that the ability to easily move something from one place to another is a waste is pretty silly.

I can see you now, "hey friend, I just bought this laptop, yeah, only issue is that they made it so damn easy and enjoyable to move and use that my desktop has tons of dust on it. I think I'll take this laptop apart and put it inside a big box on my desk instead."

(04-26-2012, 05:11 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]That's a terrible example. You're comparing two totally different devices that use totally different sets of technology

Really, terrible? I thought that was quite good. Two devices used to make phone calls outside of the house seems similar enough to draw comparisons to even if the internals and method are not alike. Part of the reason the internals are not alike is because of technology.

(04-26-2012, 05:11 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Then why do businesses and homes still use landlines? Oh right because it's way cheaper and provides a phone that doesn't need to move in a convenient spot that's always there.

Businesses don't count, they're probably not going to have dozens of cell phone scattered around the office (though they could).

"Way cheaper", how can you figure that? We both live close enough to each other to know that we can go to Metro PCS and get a cell phone with unlimited everything for about $30.00-$40.00 (including long distance). What's cheaper than that in a nice "take everywhere" package?

(04-26-2012, 05:11 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]And I can tell you that his new plasma TV was a lot bigger, took up a lot more space, and was a lot heavier than the 25" CRT he was replacing it with. So once again, I get what you're TRYING to say, but those are some bad examples to use.

The fact that a plasma TV is huge is not a downfall, that's the way we want it to be. You make it sound as if the nice big size of the screen is some kind of flaw it has. That totally doesn't even come close to being a valid argument in any way.

Edit by Starscrem: Removed a giant picture of a guy with his hands in the air, among other unrelated pics. (Starscream needs to learn some rage memes. It's not some guy, it's jackie chan) I admit I should have Lo-Ressed them to make them fit better.

When dealing with you since you flipped (as in lost your ability to know what you were talking about or make a convincing argument) I feel like a mixture of the following memes:

[before they were remover they were: Jackie chan (with his hands in the air as starscream says), jetpack guy (nothing to do here) and the guy off futurama (sorry I can't be more detailed, but the I don't want to live on this planet any more meme)]

I would argue my case, but I'm not going to do anything until people consider my analogy, and anyway, naturalviolence will prove you wrong in his ordered manor.