Quote:How are you coming up with 50% higher clock rate?
I'm comparing them at stock clocks. Your cpu has a dynamic clock rate that cycles (there is a better word for this but I can't remember it right now) between several different P states. It's max clock rate at stock is 2.3GHz but it will never stay at that clock rate permanently because of how turbocore works (turbo boost switches to the highest available P state while turbo core cycles between two or more P states rapidly). As such you end up with a slightly lower average clock rate of around 2.1GHz when running at stock settings even if very few cores are active and cooling is adequate.
At 2.6GHz your two cpus would probably trade blows depending on the game. The highest I've ever seen llano outperform athlon II X4 by at the same clock rate is 30%, and that was in a synthetic test. Real world application performance seems to hover around 15-20% higher per clock which would put your two cpus on par at those clock rates.
Quote:So at 2ghz gamecube games run with almost no lag with 2 players and the only wii game that worked at full speed was mario kart. paper mario/brawl were still 30-40 fps. My temps range from 61 to 71, usually at 71 ( max im willing to go). How long do you suggest i oc for at 70 degrees? also will 2.3 get brawl/paper mario to work at around 70 degrees?
You should not run your cpu at 71C, period.
Edit: Dithering! That's the word I was looking for.
Hmm NV is undoubtedly knowledgeable, but regarding a laptops temperatures i'll have to disagree. Under load at 61-71c is perfectly normal and should cause absolutely no problem. Op check what the tjmax for your Cpu is, it should probably be about 90-100c, which gives u plenty of breathing room theoretically. Only if you were getting in the mid to high 80's should you worry about damaging the life span of your laptop. I can link dozens of threads on Notebookreview with people exceeding 90-100c in furmark (with highly overclocked gaming laptops) without frying anything, although they subsequently repasted to lower it ideally to the 80's max and have smooth sailing. Laptop temperatures are another beast entirely from desktops, and as such Cpu/Gpu chips have a much higher tolerance. However OP if you are worried about your temps, a cooling pad coupled with cleaning out your fan/interior should lower you down to 65c or so. I'd personally do stability testing with even HIGHER overclocks, and if Wprime1024 etc never exceeds 80 your in good shape, as dolphin likely won't exceed a comfortable 75 max. You'll be thankful for the extra FPS.
Depends on the cpu architecture. Intel recommends keeping sandy bridge and nehalem chips under 80C, AMD recommends keeping phenom II/athlon II (and llano) under 70C.
Quote: Laptop temperatures are another beast entirely from desktops, and as such Cpu/Gpu chips have a much higher tolerance.
No they don't. Same architecture, same manufactering process, therefore same temperature tolerance. A lot of these chips can survive pretty high temperatures in short term use but that doesn't mean it's safe for long term use.
(02-25-2012, 04:26 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]AMD recommends keeping phenom II/athlon II (and llano) under 70C.
I don't know how accurate that is. I'm running at 67C at the normal 2.3GHz boost that was intended by AMD. They're just about at their threshold temps at normal use. I think these chips can go higher without issues. Personally I wouldn't go higher than 75, though.
Quote:I don't know how accurate that is.
It's very innacurate, since one is desktop temperatures and one is laptop temperatures. Case in point a phenom II according to amd @ 62c
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=682, and an a6 @ 100c
http://products.amd.com/(S(v0agen20en4unfuppkulwtvz))/pages/NotebookAPUDetail.aspx?id=8&f1=&f2=&f3=&f4=&f5=&f6=&; .
Quote:They're just about at their threshold temps at normal use
Clearly this can't be the case, doesn't take a genius to figure out something isn't adding up..
Quote:I think these chips can go higher without issues.
Indeed your chip wouldn't be phased at perma 80-85c for years on end. 75c is perfectly reasonable and commonplace.
Quote:Intel recommends keeping sandy bridge and nehalem chips under 80C
Recommendations by intel are notably different based on whether its a mobile chip or a desktop chip. This is no secret, as temps between the 2 aren't comparable.
NV had me worried with my laptop temps being at 80 degrees ©. After reading this thread, I am more comfortable running dolphin now.
That was once and I had other crap open (youtube videos) while in a moderately ventilated area. I played MGS:TTS last night for about 2 hrs straight and it floated around 75 degrees for the most part and the max in that session was 80DC.