(01-22-2012, 03:20 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:(I actually can scrap together a gaming build for $275.
Still more expensive than any i5.
And your build still fails to provide a case or discrete graphics card. And certainly could not be considered a gaming rig. I stand by my challenge of anyone building a $200 rig worthy of being called a gaming rig without resorting to buying used parts on ebay.
Quote:(Though to be fair, the g440 is one of Intel's slowest desktop processors in a long time, but it is ONE processor as opposed to an entire goddamn LINE of fuck-ups.)
Intel (and every chip maker for that matter) always has a super cheap, but slow processor at the very bottom of their lineup. That's the whole point. It's designed to be the "minimalist option". The original celeron in 1998 was introduced for that very reason, and they have kept doing it ever since. It's not a "f*ck up" because while it is slow it's also super cheap and has insane energy efficiency.
The apex thingy is a case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6811154088
Also, the G440 is energy efficient?
I retract my thoroughly offensive comment.
Ah, a case/power supply combo.
Quote:I retract my thoroughly offensive comment.
Stop that. It wasn't offensive. You don't need to apologize.
Quote:Also, the G440 is energy efficient?
VERY. It's based on the sandy bridge ULV (ultra low voltage edition) chip, which is single core.
Actually the benchmarks you linked have a page on this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/dis...440_7.html
And this page too:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/dis...440_8.html
It performs substantially better than an atom D525 (which is a dual core atom running at the same clock rate) or amd E-350 APU in multithreaded software despite being a single core cpu. Its full load power consumption is higher than atom (slightly) but lower than the E-350. Idle power is slightly higher than the atom and moderately higher than the E-350. This actually makes it a more efficient option than either the E-350 or the atom D525 overall (in terms of performance per watt). The IGP is way faster than atom but still a lot slower than the E-350. The chip is aimed at super cheap, super small, super quiet, and very low power media center PCs.
How come when I said I wanted to make a doom server you said the g440 was a bad option?
I just wanted something that I wouldn't have to turn off.
How is APEX as a company? Cases, PSUs?
Quote:How come when I said I wanted to make a doom server you said the g440 was a bad option?
I just wanted something that I wouldn't have to turn off.
I have no idea what's involved with that or how much processing power you would need so I can't really give you a good recommendation for that.
I will say this against the G440 though. The atom and brazos platforms are much better established in the OEM market than sandy bridge ULV.
Quote:How is APEX as a company? Cases, PSUs?
I have no idea. I've never owned any of there products, however:
1. Companies that sell combined case/power supply units are usually bad
2. Companies that sell combos that cheap are usually bad
3. Companies that are difficult to find product reviews for are usually bad
And they fit all three.
(01-22-2012, 04:40 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:How come when I said I wanted to make a doom server you said the g440 was a bad option?
I just wanted something that I wouldn't have to turn off.
I have no idea what's involved with that or how much processing power you would need so I can't really give you a good recommendation for that.
I will say this against the G440 though. The atom and brazos platforms are much better established in the OEM market than sandy bridge ULV.
Quote:How is APEX as a company? Cases, PSUs?
I have no idea. I've never owned any of there products, however:
1. Companies that sell combined case/power supply units are usually bad
2. Companies that sell combos that cheap are usually bad
3. Companies that are difficult to find product reviews for are usually bad
And they fit all three.
The many forumites on various DOOM sites have told that a Pentium 3 @ 1.5 ghz is usually the minimum for hosting services like skulltag.
Okay, so if APEX is bad, can you recommend a Doom server build based around g440 for an economic price?
Quote:The many forumites on various DOOM sites have told that a Pentium 3 @ 1.5 ghz is usually the minimum for hosting services like skulltag.
I'm guessing you meant to say pentium IV 1.5GHz, otherwise that makes no sense. Pentium III only went up to 1.4GHz and those were extremely rare models that came at the end of its lifespan. As for the models that you could actually find/buy, those ranged from 350MHz - 1.2GHz. By the time the 1.1GHz and 1.2GHz models were out pentium IV cpus were available with clock rates up to 1.8GHz.
Quote:for an economic price?
Not sure what the definition of "economic price" is. Looking through reviews apexs products are surprisingly well rated.
Good hardware:
CPU/GPU/Cooling:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819116410
SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820233223
This could be cut down as far as $55 but this is a really highly rated SSD. Why get an SSD you ask? Because you probably won't need the extra space of a HDD and HDD prices are still inflated, I figure you might as well get a small SSD for the same price.
Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6813131727
Once again could be cut down to $60 but this is a really well rated board.
Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820231277
Could be reduced to $15 for 2GB. But what the hell, $15 isn't a lot.
Case/Power supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6811163151
Could be reduced down as far as $65. However this case/power supply is awesome, I mean really really awesome. This system should only consume between 70-140watts of power at full load so you certainly don't need a 300w PSU. A lot of the cheaper case/power supply combos either come from inferior brands, are poorly rated, or are very small (which makes assembling and taking apart the system a b*tch).
CD/DVD drive: not needed, you can install everything off of a flash drive
Total price: $377, probably $400 after shipping and handling
Could be reduced another $140 down to $237 and still have decent hardware.
(01-23-2012, 09:22 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:The many forumites on various DOOM sites have told that a Pentium 3 @ 1.5 ghz is usually the minimum for hosting services like skulltag.
I'm guessing you meant to say pentium IV 1.5GHz, otherwise that makes no sense. Pentium III only went up to 1.4GHz and those were extremely rare models that came at the end of its lifespan. As for the models that you could actually find/buy, those ranged from 350MHz - 1.2GHz. By the time the 1.1GHz and 1.2GHz models were out pentium IV cpus were available with clock rates up to 1.8GHz.
Quote:for an economic price?
Not sure what the definition of "economic price" is. Looking through reviews apexs products are surprisingly well rated.
Good hardware:
CPU/GPU/Cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819116410
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820233223
This could be cut down as far as $55 but this is a really highly rated SSD. Why get an SSD you ask? Because you probably won't need the extra space of a HDD and HDD prices are still inflated, I figure you might as well get a small SSD for the same price.
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6813131727
Once again could be cut down to $60 but this is a really well rated board.
Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820231277
Could be reduced to $15 for 2GB. But what the hell, $15 isn't a lot.
Case/Power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6811163151
Could be reduced down as far as $65. However this case/power supply is awesome, I mean really really awesome. This system should only consume between 70-140watts of power at full load so you certainly don't need a 300w PSU. A lot of the cheaper case/power supply combos either come from inferior brands, are poorly rated, or are very small (which makes assembling and taking apart the system a b*tch).
CD/DVD drive: not needed, you can install everything off of a flash drive
Total price: $377, probably $400 after shipping and handling
Could be reduced another $140 down to $237 and still have decent hardware.
So the apex case is good then?
I think I was confusing pentium 3 for one of the earlier celerons...
Oh well.
Build for $250:
Lite-on dvd burner - $24
Apex SK-386 w/ 300w PSU- $35
BYTECC SSD bracket - $5
G.skill ripjaws 2 x 2 ddr3 1333- $25
Asrock H61m-vs - $55
Celeron g440 - $43
OCZ 32 gb SSD - $55
Total- $249.85
How's that?
I was thinking more along the lines of a super small mini ITX system if you look at my parts list but yeah that could work for a microATX setup.
You won't need a CD/DVD drive so you can pretty much just remove that and save some money. That apex case/psu has no user reviews so I'm not sure if I would want to trust it. The rest of your parts are pretty much what I would recommend for the lowest possible budget, but my parts are better as long as you're willing to spend the extra dough. You can skimp on the SSD (which you did) though, my $99 SSD was a bit over the top.
APEX power supplies seem to be poorly rated, and the specs aren't great either. If there is one part that I absolutely will not skimp on it's the power supply, the damage they can cause is often irreparable.
(01-23-2012, 12:01 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking more along the lines of a super small mini ITX system if you look at my parts list but yeah that could work for a microATX setup.
You won't need a CD/DVD drive so you can pretty much just remove that and save some money. That apex case/psu has no user reviews so I'm not sure if I would want to trust it. The rest of your parts are pretty much what I would recommend for the lowest possible budget, but my parts are better as long as you're willing to spend the extra dough. You can skimp on the SSD (which you did) though, my $99 SSD was a bit over the top.
APEX power supplies seem to be poorly rated, and the specs aren't great either. If there is one part that I absolutely will not skimp on it's the power supply, the damage they can cause is often irreparable.
Are there any good $70 cases with PSUs?
And would the SSD work with the ASROCK board?