Quote:I am a programmer i know evrything about pc.
More often then not, programmers know shit all about pc's.
You are another of those cases
(10-31-2011, 04:37 AM)STOCKMAN Wrote: [ -> ]dont overclock it! it is very dangerous . it is not worth to risk it. not at all.
ur a noob. its safe. as long as u dont push extreme voltages thru the chip and keep temps down its safe to overclock....
(10-31-2011, 05:03 AM)Squall Leonhart Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I am a programmer i know evrything about pc.
More often then not, programmers know shit all about pc's.
You are another of those cases
Agreed.
Quote:dont overclock it! it is very dangerous . it is not worth to risk it. not at all. I am a programmer i know evrything about pc. A core i5 2500k runs at 3,3 ghz and it can run all PC games at max settings in DX9/DX10DX11 at 1920x1080 or higher(with a good graphic card). What i mean is that this is cpu is enough for all PC games and all WII games(Dolphin). you dont need anything faseer than it for now. It will take a long time before games became more demanding. Even Witcher 2 i can run on max settings and it is one of the most demanding games this year(even more demanding than Dolphin!)
For the next 3 years again this cpu will be enough to max all pc games.
PC games are not very cpu heavy, that's why. PC games are almost always bottlenecked by the GPU.
Dolphin on the other hand is far more cpu heavy and will gain a substantial performance increase from overclocking as will all other cpu heavy applications. The witcher 2 is nowhere near as demanding on the cpu as dolphin is when trying to emulate wii games.
@natural violence i have to partially disagree with you...i mean using my current cpu and gpu @1280x1024+8xSSAA+latest drivers, in some PC games like..assassin's creed II, brotherhood,Crysis 1,2 i have some major FPS decrease(average @~45FPS)...and i dont think its the GPU cause until now the GPU usage never exceeded 45%~50% while game-play
so yeah , i partially disagree
A few things to note.
1. Your cpu is inferior to most modern cpus that gamers are using, thus more likely to bottleneck than say a phenom II X4 or core 2 quad.
2. Although some games are cpu heavy enough to need a quad core cpu MOST modern games are still fine with a core 2 duo or athlon II.
3. I doubt you are using 8xSSAA. You probably meant to say 8xMSAA. 8xSSAA produces unplayable framerates in virtually every game even with the most powerful graphics cards that exist and usually requires 2GB of vram for most games when combined with a high output resolution. Crysis would only be playable on low settings with that graphics card using 8xSSAA. Medium settings would produce framerates of around 20 fps at best and high would run out of vram and run at 1-2 fps (this is assuming you're running a high resolution like 1920 x 1080, medium settings would be playable with 8xSSAA if you were running at a low resolution).
4. How are you measuring GPU usage? I'm willing to bet you're using one of the many applications that is known to produce unreliable results (to my knowledge this is still pretty much all of them since monitoring true GPU utilization from software is virtually impossible unless it was written by nvidia/AMD since only they have direct to metal hardware access). These applications can only track stream processor utilization, the GPU can still bottleneck your cpu even if the application shows utilization that is well under 100%. There is an easy way to tell if your GPU is bottlenecking the cpu or not. Lower your resolution and graphics settings and see if your performance significantly improves. If your cpu is the bottleneck you will see little to no difference, if your gpu is the bottleneck you will see a big difference. Testing the game at various settings and looking at the change in framerate is the best way to tell where the bottleneck is.
5. Crysis 2 you're definitely right about, that game is very cpu heavy:
http://www.techspot.com/review/379-crysis-2-performance/page8.html
6. Your graphics card is about 30% faster than mine according to guru3d (I have a GTX 260 C216):
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review/19
I get about 30 fps running crysis on high settings at 1920 x 1200 just like guru3d says. I can tell you that I'm gpu bottlenecked just like everyone else. If I drop my settings to medium my framerate jumps from about 30 fps average to about 80 fps average, and I'm still GPU bottlenecked at those settings. Only when I run the game at low settings do I see a cpu bottleneck. On low settings the game runs at 300 fps average uncapped, the cpu is the bottleneck, my GPU is capable of going higher than that if it wasn't held back. As long as your cpu is fast enough to produce 60 fps on the highest settings when paired with a powerful enough GPU you're fine, you won't run into any bottlenecks. I'm not saying you won't run into cpu bottlenecks with crysis I'm just demonstrating that my 4 year old core 2 quad cpu is still enough for this game. That fact that you have a very low end cpu and you are prone to cpu bottlenecks does not make my point any less valid. PC games are usually GPU bottlenecked unless you have a very poor cpu and a very good gpu (which you do). Most games are not cpu heavy and these games can still be run on a fast athlon X2 without a cpu bottleneck believe it or not, those that are cpu heavy still run fine on a 3 year old cpu while requiring a top of the line graphics card from this year to run at max settings with a decent framerate. That just goes to show you how much more important the GPU is to games.
Just like I said before, most PC games are not very CPU heavy and won't gain anything from cpu overclocking so long as you have a decent cpu. Dolphin on the other hand will gain substantial improvement from overclocking in nearly every scenario. His (STOCKMANs) argument of being able to run the witcher 2 at fullspeed on his cpu as a explanation for why overclocking would be unnecessary for dolphin was a poorly thought out generalization and is completely invalid.
(10-31-2011, 05:03 AM)Squall Leonhart Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I am a programmer i know evrything about pc.
More often then not, programmers know shit all about pc's.
You are another of those cases
i know C++ Java Pascal Visual Basic. I also know to create webpages on Dreamweaver. and most important i have been a pc gamer since i was 7 years old and now i am 23!. It was then that i bought my first pc
. I have finished computer university and i know evrything i said.
(10-31-2011, 03:19 PM)metalnumb Wrote: [ -> ]@natural violence i have to partially disagree with you...i mean using my current cpu and gpu @1280x1024+8xSSAA+latest drivers, in some PC games like..assassin's creed II, brotherhood,Crysis 1,2 i have some major FPS decrease(average @~45FPS)...and i dont think its the GPU cause until now the GPU usage never exceeded 45%~50% while game-play so yeah , i partially disagree
When i played Assasins Creed 1,2 and Brotherhood i also had a Athlon x2 4400+ then. But i played them on max settings in 1280x1024 with no slowdowns. Crysis i had played it on meduim at 1280x1024 but crysis2 worked perfect at max settings 1280x1024. Now with Core i5 2500k 3,3ghz i will not have any problems playing it on max settings and i will get a GTX 570 in few days.
Quote:i know C++ Java Pascal Visual Basic. I also know to create webpages on Dreamweaver. and most important i have been a pc gamer since i was 7 years old and now i am 23!. It was then that i bought my first pc. I have finished computer university and i know evrything i said.
And yet you have the nerve to make such a broad generalization as claiming overclocking is dangerous.
Nobody is going to take you seriously until you clean up your spelling, grammar, and start making posts based on factual evidence rather than arrogant statements like " I am a programmer i know evrything about pc.". No intelligent human being could ever mutter those words. Only arrogant people and children fail to realize the limits of there knowledge to such a degree that they can make a statement boasting about their complete mastery over a constantly evolving industry. Knowing some programming languages does not mean you know everything about computers. In fact you do not need to know very much about PC hardware to program anything except at the machine level.
Quote:I have finished computer university and i know evrything i said.
What is a "computer university". Please don't tell me you went to a for profit college.
Logical human beings elaborate on there arguments rather than attempting to inform others of why they should trust anything they say because of their experience. Have you ever heard a scientist begin an argument with "I'm a scientist with 20 years of experience in the field so you should trust what I have to say". No, you don't hear that because it is an extremely poor argument that makes anyone you uses it look like an arrogant and ignorant fool. That is the worst way that you could have backed up your statement that overclocking is dangerous. In fact it's even worse than saying nothing.
The facts are:
1. Overclocking is perfectly safe as long as you know what you're doing (proven by literally millions of overclocked cpus that have remained stable through extremely long lifespans, for example my P4 overclocked to 5GHz is still 24/7 prime95 stable after 8 years and has yet to give me a single issue).
2. Dolphin gains significant performance improvements from overclocking in virtually any scenario (proven by the contents of this forum as well as user tests)
Therefore we must reach the conclusion that cpu overclocking is a good idea in this circumstance. If you would like to debate this further please present another premise or argument instead of telling us why we should all blindly believe anything you say because you can use dreamweaver and understand some common programming languages.
Quote:dont overclock it! it is very dangerous . it is not worth to risk it. not at all. I am a programmer i know evrything about pc. A core i5 2500k runs at 3,3 ghz and it can run all PC games at max settings in DX9/DX10DX11 at 1920x1080 or higher(with a good graphic card). What i mean is that this is cpu is enough for all PC games and all WII games(Dolphin). you dont need anything faseer than it for now. It will take a long time before games became more demanding. Even Witcher 2 i can run on max settings and it is one of the most demanding games this year(even more demanding than Dolphin!)
For the next 3 years again this cpu will be enough to max all pc games.
Many others here have already accomplished the task of explaining with details why you said a lot of lies and half trues there, so I'll just limit myself to note you have succeeded in compiling more offenses to the human intelligence than I thought was possible in a harmless block of text.
Oh, one more thing:
Quote:i know evrything about pc
There is no such thing.
recommend me a good cooler then, please
( and by good i mean price/performance )