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Not the original version unless you have an MS-DOS emulator.

Emulation should not be used for showing off, it should be used so that you can have fun playing video games that were not designed for a desktop PC.
(11-14-2011, 02:42 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Not the original version unless you have an MS-DOS emulator.

Emulation should not be used for showing off, it should be used so that you can have fun playing video games that were not designed for a desktop PC.

Lol. I was talking about Skulltag.
(Hah! It actually can't run it.)

And yes, emulation is great. You get visual enhancements, and the convenience of not
having to go to another machine to play games.
(11-14-2011, 07:54 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Because you have hdd and case just switch their i3 2100 for i5 2300 or 2400
Op,see how in both builds they used $170 gpu ?
But your are so stubborn in buying $110 gpu. Well,its your money and your computer,do what you want,but I cant belive after so many pages you are still making this bad decision ( and people actually encouring you to do it )

Clearly you didn't do the math. Swap out the cpu for an i5 2300 and get rid of the case and HDD from that list and it's still over budget, plus he ends up with a PSU that has absolutely no headroom.

How come ? Hdd is (was) $40 and case is $30 thats $70.
i3 2100 is $125,so $125+$70 is $195,and i5 2400 is $189 so I guess you are right I didnt do math right,he get to keep six dollars Smile
That would make toms hardware build exactly $520,and radeon 6850 is much better card then 450 gts.
I am sure tomshardware know what they are doing,and would put psu in a build where it couldn't handle it
Quote:That would make toms hardware build exactly $520

Which is too high. He has a strict limit of $500, he has stated this multiple times.

Quote:and would put psu in a build where it couldn't handle it

My point wasn't that it couldn't handle it, my point was that he has zero overhead with that build. He would have to replace the PSU in any future build and avoid overclocking in the meantime.
Speaking of Doom, I was thinking of buying a G440 to use as a dedicated DOOM server.
(Not now, but in a year or so.)

What would be the cheapest way to build it without sacrificing anything?
(It would probably only need 2 ghz of RAM.)

So you want to set up a game server? Why doom? Is it really worth building a whole new system? Why not use that money for upgrading your desktop instead.

Quote:What would be the cheapest way to build it without sacrificing anything?

I have no idea what kind of system requirements it has. If you want a dedicated server then you want a xeon or opteron cpu. I mean you can still use regular desktop parts but it's beneficial to use server parts instead.

Quote:(It would probably only need 2 GB of RAM.)

Fixed that for you.
(11-15-2011, 07:22 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to set up a game server? Why doom? Is it really worth building a whole new system? Why not use that money for upgrading your desktop instead.

Quote:What would be the cheapest way to build it without sacrificing anything?

I have no idea what kind of system requirements it has. If you want a dedicated server then you want a xeon or opteron cpu. I mean you can still use regular desktop parts but it's beneficial to use server parts instead.

Quote:(It would probably only need 2 GB of RAM.)

Fixed that for you.

1. I said "in a year or so."

2. I have a personal fondness for older games and would love to uphold a server.

(Usually, a pentium 4 is good for a DOOM server, but not only is the G440 FAR more powerful, it is also much more efficient.)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_7.html#sect0

(A dual-core atom is a good bit faster than a pentium 4, and the g440 is faster than that.)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_8.html#sect0

3. I need something low-power and efficient that I could leave on 24/7 without hurting the power bills.

Either way, using server parts is WAY overkill for something like doom.
The Antec 550w modular psu seems to be out of stock.

Would this be okay as an alternative?
(Never heard of OCZ.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022

If not, then what do you recommend?
Quote:The Antec 550w modular psu seems to be out of stock.

Would this be okay as an alternative?
(Never heard of OCZ.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817341022

Yes. I myself have an OCZ gamextreme 850w. Although I wouldn't recommend that particular unit since it's not modular, has too many chords, has a surprisingly low ampere rating on the 12v rails, and only has two 6 + 2 pin connectors (then again they don't sell this model anymore, I bought mine back in 2006 when I was ignorant about this stuff).

There are lots of good PSU brands, just to name a few: antec, ocz, pc power and cooling, corsair, enermax, silverstone, cooler master, seasonic

Quote:1. I said "in a year or so."

2. I have a personal fondness for older games and would love to uphold a server.

(Usually, a pentium 4 is good for a DOOM server, but not only is the G440 FAR more powerful, it is also much more efficient.)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/dis...html#sect0

(A dual-core atom is a good bit faster than a pentium 4, and the g440 is faster than that.)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/dis...html#sect0

3. I need something low-power and efficient that I could leave on 24/7 without hurting the power bills.

Either way, using server parts is WAY overkill for something like doom.

I repeat my last question:
Quote:Why not use that money for upgrading your desktop instead?

Quote:Usually, a pentium 4 is good for a DOOM server

I was considering recommending that you reuse your current system depending on how low the system requirements will be. A pentium 4 should be good enough. What specific cpu do you have? I need to know if it supports Intel VT.

Quote:but not only is the G440 FAR more powerful, it is also much more efficient.

But a pentium G620 is a MUCH better cpu for only $20-30 more. It can be 4 times as fast depending on the software you're using. Even a G540 can be 3 times as fast for $10-20 more. They are a much better buy. And having a dual core cpu for a server really helps since 1 task or VM usually only uses 1 core and thus can't cause the entire system to lock up even at full load.

Ultimately it's hard to design a server without knowing what the requirements will be or how high your budget will be. You're not really giving me much to work with here Tongue

Quote:A dual-core atom is a good bit faster than a pentium 4

That depends on which model atom you are comparing, which model of pentium 4 you are comparing, and what kind of test you are using to compare them. Pentium 4 northwood usually has similar IPC to a single core atom cpu, with a presscot cpu being slightly higher. Since pentium 4 cpus have higher clock rates they tend to outperform atom cpus in single threaded tests, however a dual core atom can beat them in multithreaded software and of course atom uses a small fraction of the amount of power that a pentium 4 needs.

Quote:Either way, using server parts is WAY overkill for something like doom.

Agreed but then again I think that building a server just for this is stupid.
Fair enough.

Nope. No VT support sadly.

With that PSU I could afford an ASUS GTX 550.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121435

Would it be worth my time?
(Currently on the ASUS GTS 450.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121415
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