(09-13-2011, 01:07 PM)obscured Wrote: [ -> ]I don't disagree the performance for current gen pc games the setup would be decent but just for emulation it's not the ideal setup. I'm pretty sure our opinions on performance widely differ. Well, good luck with the project.
I could go for a gts 450 and get a 3.3 ghz i3.
Not sure what difference it would make tho.
Thanks for listenin.
(09-13-2011, 02:08 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Bump your budget up to $600 and you'll be fine, that will be enough for a P67 board and i5 2400. Also loose the ceramic thermal paste, ceramic thermal compounds suck. Give me a sec and I'll give you some links.
Sorry, no can do on the price increase.
My Mum's paying for this comp.
Not really looking for power, looking for balance.
I need recommendations for my price range.
(The paste does look useful, though.)
Sorry for sounding rude.
Actually, that z68 looks nice,
might get a gts 450 and go with that mobo.
What is better about Z68?
Well honestly I have to say I'm impressed. Those are damn good parts for $500, I can't do much better myself. Take a look at the edit on my previous post and change the thermal grease to what I have their.
My review:
DVD drive: fine
GPU: I would go $10-20 higher and get one of my suggestions from above. But since you can't stretch your budget that's a good card, more than adequate for 1080p on dolphin with 4x IR as long as you don't use SSAA. It will max out most PC games at 1080p 30-60 fps just fine (you can thank console porting for this, PC exclusives will be a lot harder to max out), just don't expect it to do it with the heavier games like crysis or metro 2033 for example. Some heavier pc games will require you drop your resolution or settings a bit to maintain a decent framerate. For PC games this is the weakest link.
Power supply: Good but I would recommend finding a modular unit instead. 100 watts less, but it's modular and the same price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
550 watts is still more than enough.
Thermal compound: replace it with my recommendation form my previous post
RAM: good
Motherboard: not so good, but the best you can do with MSI/ASUS on a tight budget
CPU: Good. It's a dual core sandy bridge at 3.1GHz, dolphin only uses two cores anyways so that will be just fine. It will run most games at fullspeed but a couple games like SMG/SMG2 may need to be run on an older build or with HLE audio (less accurate audio plugin, has some problems) to reach fullspeed. This is the weakest link for dolphin.
Quote:might get a gts 450 and go with that mobo.
Yeah I would do that.
I'm guessing you're planning on reusing an old HDD and case since you don't have either listed?
Also what kind of monitor are you using?
Quote:Pointless, 3x is 1920x1584, use x2.5 (1600x1320) or x2 (1280x1056).
Also take anamorphic widescreen into account.
1x scale
IR: 640 x 528
4:3: 640 x 480
16:9: 854 x 480
1.5x scale
IR: 960 x 792
4:3: 960 x 720
16:9: 1281 x 720
2x scale
IR: 1280 x 1056
4:3: 1280 x 960
16:9: 1708 x 960
2.5x scale
IR: 1600 x 1320
4:3: 1600 x 1200
16:9: 2135 x 1200
3x scale
IR: 1920 x 1584
4:3: 1920 x 1440
16:9: 2562 x 1440
4x scale
IR: 2560 x 2112
4:3: 2560 x 1920
16:9: 3416 x 1920
(09-13-2011, 02:37 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Well honestly I have to say I'm impressed. Those are damn good parts for $500, I can't do much better myself. Take a look at the edit on my previous post and change the thermal grease to what I have their.
My review:
DVD drive: fine
GPU: I would go $10-20 higher and get one of my suggestions from above. But since you can't stretch your budget that's a good card, more than adequate for 1080p on dolphin with 4x IR as long as you don't use SSAA. It will max out most PC games at 1080p 30-60 fps just fine (you can thank console porting for this, PC exclusives will be a lot harder to max out), just don't expect it to do it with the heavier games like crysis or metro 2033 for example. Some heavier pc games will require you drop your resolution or settings a bit to maintain a decent framerate. For PC games this is the weakest link.
Power supply: Good but I would recommend finding a modular unit instead. 100 watts less, but it's modular and the same price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
550 watts is still more than enough.
Thermal compound: replace it with my recommendation form my previous post
RAM: good
Motherboard: not so good, but the best you can do with MSI/ASUS on a tight budget
CPU: Good. It's a dual core sandy bridge at 3.1GHz, dolphin only uses two cores anyways so that will be just fine. It will run most games at fullspeed but a couple games like SMG/SMG2 may need to be run on an older build or with HLE audio (less accurate audio plugin, has some problems) to reach fullspeed. This is the weakest link for dolphin.
Quote:might get a gts 450 and go with that mobo.
Yeah I would do that.
I'm guessing you're planning on reusing an old HDD and case since you don't have either listed?
Also what kind of monitor are you using?
I already bought the case, and a 320 gb SATA HDD, both used, with money from a summer job. (Actually using the HDD now with a converter!)
Also, I could get the i5, but the video card would be crappier than a porta-potty.
(as in, GT 240, or 430/420, kinda missing a lot.)
My "monitor" is a 1080i LCD T.V. with built in VGA, which I have a cable for.
Damn, the GTS 450 can go that high?
Color me surprised.
(Going to sleep, feel free to post advice anyway.)
Quote:I actually wanted 1080p or 1080i, (as that is my max resolution, I use a LCD tv for a monitor.) but was afraid to ask, because...
Quote:My "monitor" is a 1080i LCD T.V. with built in VGA, which I have a cable for.
Interesting.....
I assumed it was a plasma or CRT TV since LCDs are always progressive except for the extremely (really really early) early models that didn't have the DVI or HDMI ports needed to support a 1080p signal. Plasmas and CRTs on the other hand often had to make with 720p or 1080i due to limited scanning/pulsing speed. But VGA cables are completely capable of a 1080p signal so if you have a 1080i LCD with a VGA port I would very much like to know the model since that is not usual.
Quote:Damn, the GTS 450 can go that high?
Color me surprised.
Dolphin is very lightweight on GPUs and so are console ported PC games. You may have to run some PC games at 720p or with lower setting on that GTS 450, if I recall correctly a GTX 550 is somewhere between 20-40% faster than a GTS 450 on average. 1.5x scale is enough for 720p in dolphin and 2.5x is enough for 1080p. A GTX 550 can handle 4x no problem, a GTS 450 should be able to handle 3x no problem.
(09-13-2011, 03:02 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I actually wanted 1080p or 1080i, (as that is my max resolution, I use a LCD tv for a monitor.) but was afraid to ask, because...
Quote:My "monitor" is a 1080i LCD T.V. with built in VGA, which I have a cable for.
Interesting.....
I assumed it was a plasma or CRT TV since LCDs are always progressive except for the extremely (really really early) early models that didn't have the DVI or HDMI ports needed to support a 1080p signal. Plasmas and CRTs on the other hand often had to make with 720p or 1080i due to limited scanning/pulsing speed. But VGA cables are completely capable of a 1080p signal so if you have a 1080i LCD with a VGA port I would very much like to know the model since that is not usual.
[color=#FF0000]It's a Viore Wal-Mart t.v. (Yes, I know.)
http://www.amazon.com/Viore-LED22VF60-22-Inch-1080p-Television/dp/B002ZB8RF2/ref=sr_1_5?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1315890255&sr=1-5
Had it almost a year and a half, no trouble.
(I think VGA ports are cheaper to put on TVs.)
(It says 1080p, but I checked, manual says it only goes to 1080i.[/color])
Quote:Damn, the GTS 450 can go that high?
Color me surprised.
Dolphin is very lightweight on GPUs and so are console ported PC games. You may have to run some PC games at 720p or with lower setting on that GTS 450, if I recall correctly a GTX 550 is somewhere between 20-40% faster than a GTS 450 on average. 1.5x scale is enough for 720p in dolphin and 2.5x is enough for 1080p. A GTX 550 can handle 4x no problem, a GTS 450 should be able to handle 3x no problem.
Product Description
The VIORE LED22VF60 is a 22-Inch 1080p (Full-HD) LED Television. The TV has 1920 x 1080 native resolution for Full-HD (1080p) performance and wide-screen (16:9 aspect ratio) for a complete home theater experience. The super high picture quality has been realized by VIORE engineering with high brightness for a vivid and brilliant picture and with high contrast for deeper blacks and brighter whites. The ATSC TV tuner is integrated for over-the-air HDTV broadcast reception. HDMI inputs are provided so that the digital signals for both video and audio will be transferred without any degradation from Blu-ray Disc Player, DVD Player, Game Player, or Cable/Satellite Box.
The VGA port is provided so that you can use the TV as a computer monitor. Comonent Video, Composite Video, and S-Video inputs are available
Well have you tried 1080p? Since LCDs are progressive by nature I don't see why it would be capable or 1080i but not 1080p. I just did some quick research on google and apparently a lot of 1366 x 768 HDTVs can input a 1080i signal even though they have to downscale it/deinterlace since they can't display it at that resolution.
The model you linked lists a display resolution of 1920 x 1080. Unless you got a different model that is 1366 x 768 it should be able to do 1080p. Check the PHYSICAL display resolution and see if it's 1366 x 768 or 1920 x 1080. If it has a physical display resolution of 1920 x 1080 and it is an lcd it HAS to support 1080p.
If it is 1366 x 768 (which explains why it only goes up to 1080i) then you will be better off using 1366 x 768 progressive which a PC will support.
(09-13-2011, 03:11 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Well have you tried 1080p? Since LCDs are progressive by nature I don't see why it would be capable or 1080i but not 1080p. I just did some quick research on google and apparently a lot of 1366 x 768 HDTVs can input a 1080i signal even though they have to downscale it/deinterlace since they can't display it at that resolution.
The model you linked lists a display resolution of 1920 x 1080. Unless you got a different model that is 1366 x 768 it should be able to do 1080p. Check the PHYSICAL display resolution and see if it's 1366 x 768 or 1920 x 1080. If it has a physical display resolution of 1920 x 1080 and it is an lcd it HAS to support 1080p.
If it is 1366 x 768 (which explains why it only goes up to 1080i) then you will be better off using 1366 x 768 progressive which a PC will support.
Oddly, it is 1360 x 768, but then how can I go to 1440 x 900?
Have I been fooling myself this entire time?
(I got the model wrong...)
http://www.amazon.com/Viore-LC22VH56PB-22-Inch-720p-Black/dp/B0031ESJ5K/ref=sr_1_2?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1315890830&sr=1-2
This is what I have.
Whoa... I just switched from 1280 x 768 to 1360 x 768 and the image quality is just as high as 1080i is.
Less desktop space than 1080i, tho.
Quote:Oddly, it is 1360 x 768, but then how can I go to 1440 x 900?
Have I been fooling myself this entire time?
(I got the model wrong...)
http://www.amazon.com/Viore-LC22VH56PB-2...830&sr=1-2
This is what I have.
Whoa... I just switched from 1280 x 768 to 1360 x 768 and the image quality is just as high as 1080i is.
Same reason my vizio 32" 1366 x 768 goes up to 1080p, it just downscales the input to 1366 x 768 before displaying it.
Despite my tv going up to 1080p as far as input signals go it can only display a 1366 x 768 image so it is listed as 720p (and rightfully so). However according to google some 1366 x 768 LCDs have "1080i" listed on the box just because they can take in a 1080i signal, which is stupid and false advertising.
Use 2x IR with 1366 x 768 resolution (although you probably won't be able to tell the difference between 1.5x and 2x since it's such a small difference between 1280 x 720 with upscaling and 1366 x 768 without upscaling). If you went for the GTX 460 you could probably do 1.5x with 9xSSAA without any slowdowns, and that would look REALLY GOOD.
Many plasmas and HD CRTs on the other hand were true 1080i displays. They supported a physical display resolution of 1920 x 1080 but couldn't scan/pulse fast enough to use that framerate at 60hz in progressive scan so they had to run in interlaced mode at that resolution.
When you get your rig up and running in a few months PM me and I'll teach you how to force 4xSSAA in dolphin on an nvidia card.