Quote:The paste is pre-applied on the stock cooler.
Yes, and it sucks.
Quote:Intel made those K processor OCable , so there wont be a problem with your warranty , because they make you pay more for the K processors ability to overclock .
There would be no point for them to make an OCable CPU , and pretend they're not aware that you are going to OC it ! damn you kids !
Just stay in the Vcore Limitations stated by Intel (1.35V i guess) but you can go more far , the rest depends on your GUTS ! http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1607718
Nope, still voids the warranty. AMD black edition cpus also have unlocked multipliers for overclocking and amd even developed a tool to assist novice overclockers (amd overdrive) but they still void the warranty if you do it.
Not that that matters since x86 cpus have a failure rate below 0.1%, meaning less than 1 in 1000 cpus ever go bad. In fact I think it might be less than 0.01%.
@werewolfyman
Someone is probably more likely to be struck by lightning than to ever actually use the warranty provided, it's just there as a show of good faith. If your cpu never breaks than you have no need for it anyways. Also most common forms of damage (broken pins for example) are actually not covered believe it or not. Sacrificing performance to hang onto the warranty is borderline retarded from my perspective.
(09-23-2011, 04:55 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:The paste is pre-applied on the stock cooler.
Yes, and it sucks.
Quote:Intel made those K processor OCable , so there wont be a problem with your warranty , because they make you pay more for the K processors ability to overclock .
There would be no point for them to make an OCable CPU , and pretend they're not aware that you are going to OC it ! damn you kids !
Just stay in the Vcore Limitations stated by Intel (1.35V i guess) but you can go more far , the rest depends on your GUTS ! http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1607718
Nope, still voids the warranty. AMD black edition cpus also have unlocked multipliers for overclocking and amd even developed a tool to assist novice overclockers (amd overdrive) but they still void the warranty if you do it.
Not that that matters since x86 cpus have a failure rate below 0.1%, meaning less than 1 in 1000 cpus ever go bad. In fact I think it might be less than 0.01%.
@werewolfyman
Someone is probably more likely to be struck by lightning than to ever actually use the warranty provided, it's just there as a show of good faith. If your cpu never breaks than you have no need for it anyways. Also most common forms of damage (broken pins for example) are actually not covered believe it or not. Sacrificing performance to hang onto the warranty is borderline retarded from my perspective.
Now I have no damned Idea what to do.... Yeesh...
I just want something powerful that will last a long time and won't collapse inward on itself.
Seeing all these reviews on newegg saying so and so failed doesn't help.
Well I'll make it easy for you.
Quote:1. i3 2125(Hd 3000) + GTX 460
or
2. i3 2100(Hd 2000) + gtx 560 (non ti)
or
3. i5 2400-2500 and a POS video card(Right now discounts allow for a gts 450,
but without them I can't go higher than gt 440 or gts 250.)
1. Balanced, I would not recommend it.
2. Powerful video card, best for gaming.
3. Best for non-gaming applications and dolphin. Most future proof if you can save up money towards a new video card in the future (as in a year or two after you build the initial machine).
You must choose what you want.
(09-23-2011, 05:31 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Well I'll make it easy for you.
Quote:1. i3 2125(Hd 3000) + GTX 460
or
2. i3 2100(Hd 2000) + gtx 560 (non ti)
or
3. i5 2400-2500 and a POS video card(Right now discounts allow for a gts 450,
but without them I can't go higher than gt 440 or gts 250.)
1. Balanced, I would not recommend it.
2. Powerful video card, best for gaming.
3. Best for non-gaming applications and dolphin. Most future proof if you can save up money towards a new video card in the future (as in a year or two after you build the initial machine).
You must choose what you want.
I would go for the asus z68 and an i5-2500k.
This would be fine... but does the HD3000 do at least 2x scaling on BT3 or other pcsx2/dolphin things?
If not, are there any $30-35 cards that do?
I can accept lower settings on most games for a while. (Actually being able to PLAY them is what matters, graphics or not.)
If no card in that range is viable, then I'll just get a Cooler Master Hyper 212.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
Quote:This would be fine... but does the HD3000 do at least 2x scaling on BT3 or other pcsx2/dolphin things?
If not, are there any $30-35 cards that do?
No.
And no.
You need a decent video card. At least a GT 440. You can upgrade to aftermarket cooling in the future. Get the cpu first, worry about overclocking later on.
I don't think you have the budget to do what you just proposed with a 2500k + z68 + half decent video card + aftermarket air cooler.
Also please simplify your parts list in the future, it makes it so much easier to read. For example:
Quote:CD/DVD: LITE-ON DVD Drive - $20.99
GPU: GTX 460 - $169.99
PSU: Antec BP550 Plus 550W - $54.99
Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound - $6.99
RAM: CORSAIR XMS 4GB DDR3 1333 - $25.99
Mobo: ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM H61 - $69.99
CPU: Intel Core i3-2105 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz - $134.99
Case: Already have it
HDD: Already have it
Grand Total: $494.90
Max I can do is $515 w/shipping.
Except use links for each part.
(09-23-2011, 06:36 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:This would be fine... but does the HD3000 do at least 2x scaling on BT3 or other pcsx2/dolphin things?
If not, are there any $30-35 cards that do?
No.
And no.
You need a decent video card. At least a GT 440. You can upgrade to aftermarket cooling in the future. Get the cpu first, worry about overclocking later on.
I don't think you have the budget to do what you just proposed with a 2500k + z68 + half decent video card + aftermarket air cooler.
In order to do that, I would have to downgrade to an h61.
(But, then I could get a gt 440.)
Is this okay?
(Probably keep the 2500k, for later you see.)
Managed to get a Z68 + 2500k + GT 430 rig setup for $498 plus a couple bucks for shipping and handling.
Video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121448
RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134792
Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128520
Everything else is the same as your existing builds. See if you can find those parts on newegg.ca if not find an equivalent.
Then 1-2 years from now save up some money for a high end graphics card + aftermarket cooler for ocing.
Honestly though, not trying to confuse you, but I disagree with this setup. I understand RRoD reasoning for the 2500k but I don't think it's appropriate in your case. I would go with an i5 2400 + the H61 board you had before and whatever video card you can buy with the money left over (probably a GTS 450). You can save $5 by going with that RAM and it has excellent reviews. Every dollar counts so I would recommend it.
(09-23-2011, 07:10 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Managed to get a Z68 + 2500k + GT 430 rig setup for $498 plus a couple bucks for shipping and handling.
Video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121448
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134792
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128520
Everything else is the same as your existing builds. See if you can find those parts on newegg.ca if not find an equivalent.
Then 1-2 years from now save up some money for a high end graphics card + aftermarket cooler for ocing.
Honestly though, not trying to confuse you, but I disagree with this setup. I understand RRoD reasoning for the 2500k but I don't think it's appropriate in your case. I would go with an i5 2400 + the H61 board you had before and whatever video card you can buy with the money left over (probably a GTS 450). You can save $5 by going with that RAM and it has excellent reviews. Every dollar counts so I would recommend it.
My Ram costs the same.
But if I get the 2400 there will be no overclocking headroom,
and 3 years later I'll have to replace everything, not just a video card.
My total for those is $510.
(Evga card instead.)
HOWEVER, I can indeed get a GTS 450 and an i5 2400.
What improvements would there be over an i3?(Besides cores o/c.)
And would an i5 2300 be pointless? (Because that's the gtx 550 ti range.)
Okay, now I'm irreparably confused.
Ok let's make this simple. You already have the case and HDD. We've agreed on the PSU, thermal compound, DVD burner, and RAM, those won't be changed.
So now that gives us CPU, GPU, and mobo to adjust.
Getting a Z68 + 2500k will leave you with almost for the video card in the meantime but if you can afford a good video card + aftermarket cooling in the future will be better in the long run.
An i5 2400 + H61 + GTX 550 Ti offers excellent balance in my opinion.
An i3 2100 + H61 + GTX 560 Ti offers you the best gaming experience in the meantime but sacrifices some future proofing (dual core cpu instead of quad core).
Do you think you'll be able to upgrade the video card and get aftermarket cooling in a year or two?
Quote:And would an i5 2300 be pointless? (Because that's the gtx 550 ti range.)
I was able to find a GTX 550 ti that fit into your budget even with the i5 2400:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125367
It seems stupid not to pay $10 more (a 5% increase in price) for a cpu that is 10% faster but it wouldn't be the end of the world if you went with the i5 2300.
(09-23-2011, 07:25 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Ok let's make this simple. You already have the case and HDD. We've agreed on the PSU, thermal compound, DVD burner, and RAM, those won't be changed.
So now that gives us CPU, GPU, and mobo to adjust.
Getting a Z68 + 2500k will leave you with almost for the video card in the meantime but if you can afford a good video card + aftermarket cooling in the future will be better in the long run.
An i5 2400 + H61 + GTX 550 Ti offers excellent balance in my opinion.
An i3 2100 + H61 + GTX 560 Ti offers you the best gaming experience in the meantime but sacrifices some future proofing (dual core cpu instead of quad core).
Do you think you'll be able to upgrade the video card and get aftermarket cooling in a year or two?
First of all, I can't get an i5 2400 + gtx 550 ti, as that is $10 too much, (Nevermind, seems you got it. Still, several reviews say it failed a few months down the road.)
I'd have to get the 2300.
Second, I kind of doubt I could save for a card any time soon.
Hey, I found the ASUS gtx 550 ti for the same price.