Dolphin, the GameCube and Wii emulator - Forums

(09-03-2013, 03:31 PM)wave900309 Wrote: [ -> ]I know it, but zelda TP is very speical, if "copy to texture" the mini map would be broken, (like mosaic)

But that doesn't make your GPU too slow.

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How do you guys always seem to know?

I'm probably partially to blame for that... when I respond to a forum thread, I turn on instant email notification of replies. This then usually results in me being quite active in a topic for a page or two until I lose interest, which was going to be right now until you posted. (I was about to unsubscribe from notification until I actually read your post)

mitch1224 Wrote:My CPU and GPU were listed under the Medium section of both of your guides; I figured it should run at a mediocre-to-well speed, and not less-than-mediocre speeds.

This is what the medium section says:

NaturalViolence Wrote:These cpus run most games at fullspeed with HLE audio if they are heavily overclocked. But at stock speeds they may have have trouble.

Add to that the fact that you're running one of the more demanding games.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:In other words, a 2GHz Pentium 4 will be twice as fast as a 1GHz Pentium 4

Only if everything else is identical including cache size and FSB frequency. Not just the microarchitecture.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:and/or (supposedly) use an ICC-optimized version of Dolphin.

It won't help. Any performance impact is either a placebo or extremely minimal (2-3%).

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:First off, your RAM is running in single-channel

How did you figure that out? Unless I'm blind he never mentioned his memory configuration.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:Secondly, do all you can to make sure Turbo Core is kicking in, which will run your CPU at 2.4GHz when only two cores are loaded - enabling "Lock threads to cores" may help.

Turbocore doesn't work that way. It uses dithering. Your actual clock rate will be somewhere between the minimum and maximum depending on the type of workload that it is doing.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:An overclocked 2500k is pretty much in a multi-way tie for the second fastest CPU you could even use for Dolphin, the only thing flat-out faster is an overclocked Haswell CPU. I think your definition of "good enough" is a bit extreme...

Modern builds are pretty demanding. It depends on the game and settings but for a lot of popular games you do need either a stock haswell or overclocking sandy/ivy bridge desktop cpu to run it at fullspeed.

mitch1224 Wrote:The RAM upgrades are just because. You can never have enough.

Yes you can. Buying more memory than your applications can use is just stupid.

I want you to do me a favor if you can. The next time you see your brother-in-law please smack him as hard as you can for me.

wave900309 Wrote:Yes, I think bottleneck is my video card

Not a chance.

And like nintendo maniac said efb copy to ram doesn't effect gpu load.

*sigh* Must I always explain myself down to the smallest detail so that you don't point out any possible fallacies?

(09-06-2013, 09:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:In other words, a 2GHz Pentium 4 will be twice as fast as a 1GHz Pentium 4

Only if everything else is identical including cache size and FSB frequency. Not just the microarchitecture.

I'm simplifying for the guy, if I started talking about cache and FSB I'm pretty sure he'd be totally lost.

(09-06-2013, 09:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:and/or (supposedly) use an ICC-optimized version of Dolphin.

It won't help. Any performance impact is either a placebo or extremely minimal (2-3%).

I said supposedly for a reason.

(09-06-2013, 09:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:First off, your RAM is running in single-channel

How did you figure that out? Unless 吾'm blind he never mentioned his memory configuration.

I looked at his profile - he's running 6GB of RAM on an AMD system - AMD never supported triple-channel memory.

(09-06-2013, 09:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:Secondly, do all you can to make sure Turbo Core is kicking in, which will run your CPU at 2.4GHz when only 二wo cores are loaded - enabling "Lock threads to cores" may help.

Turbocore doesn't work that way. It uses dithering. Your actual clock rate will be somewhere between the minimum and maximum depending on the type of workload that it is doing.

Well of course, seeing how it's just part of the P-states... but you do realize that there's two steps to turbo - all-core-load turbo and half-core-load turbo? Half-core-load turbo runs at higher clocks than all-core-load turbo.

(09-06-2013, 09:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:An overclocked 2500k is pretty much in a multi-way tie for the second fastest CPU you could even use for Dolphin, the only thing flat-out faster is an overclocked Haswell CPU. 吾 think your definition of "good enough" is a bit extreme...

Modern builds are pretty demanding. It depends on the game and settings but for a lot of popular games you do need either a stock haswell or overclocking sandy/ivy bridge desktop cpu to run it at fullspeed.

good enough != fullspeed
good enough = playable
playable != 100% speed
100% speed = fullspeed

(09-06-2013, 09:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Yes you can. Buying more memory than your applications can use is just stupid.

Ramdisks! I use them all the time as scratch disks - they also satisfy my OCD in reducing the writes of my SSD/s for cache and temp files. (you could also disable the pagefile, but just mentioning such a thing on the internet causes way more drama than it should)

Damn that's some good reaction time.

Ping nintendo maniac

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Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:Must I always explain myself down to the smallest detail so that you don't point out any possible fallacies?

Is this even a question? Yes.

When I am around you must be perfect and meticulous at all times. That's all I ask for. Anything less is unacceptable.

If it's any consolation your posts are some of the most fun to correct .

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:I said supposedly for a reason.

Well I'm clarifying that you're wrong. Didn't you want to know if the statement was wrong?

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:I looked at his profile - he's running 6GB of RAM on an AMD system - AMD never supported triple-channel memory.

That doesn't mean he's running a single channel configuration.

Insert a 4GB memory module into one slot and a 2GB into another. There you now have 6GB in dual channel as long as they're in the right slots. People do it all the time.

I believe you can also do 3 x 2GB in dual channel mode so long as you use the right slots too although I've never done it before personally.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:good enough != fullspeed
good enough = playable
playable != 100% speed
100% speed = fullspeed

We can't base recommendations off of "playable" because everyone has a different personal definition of what speed is playable. What speed is "playable" to you?

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:Well of course, seeing how it's just part of the P-states... but you do realize that there's two steps to turbo - all-core-load turbo and half-core-load turbo? Half-core-load turbo runs at higher clocks than all-core-load turbo.

Half load turbos were implemented in turbo core 2.0. Which was implemented first in trinity and bulldozer. He has a llano cpu. And either way it uses dithering.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:Ramdisks! Tongue I use them all the time as scratch disks - they also satisfy my OCD in reducing the writes of my SSD/s for cache and temp files.

Normal people have no need for ram disks. I'm certain he doesn't use them.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:(you could also disable the pagefile, but just mentioning such a thing on the internet causes way more drama than it should)

Stop! You'll kill us all!

(09-06-2013, 09:09 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Not a chance.

And like nintendo maniac said efb copy to ram doesn't effect gpu load.

So...is my computer can run ZTP full speed in big scene by 1080p and 2XAA in anyway？
By the way, The OpenGL plugin is so accurate, when play Ikaruga in DX9/11, the fighter will cover will a blackbox, But OpenGL is all pretty. So I think if good NVIDIA Quadro and ATI FirePro GPU will make the game more accurate in high fps than GeForce and Radeon(ignore the price ).

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

(09-06-2013, 10:55 AM)wave900309 Wrote: [ -> ]So...is my computer can run ZTP full speed in big scene by 1080p and 2XAA in anyway？

Personally I think your GPU will be fine, but there's nothing like testing it out yourself no? The easiest thing to do is to check your framerates when rendering at 1x internal resolution and then see if 1080p + 2xAA (and 16xAF?) has a similar framerate. If it's the same, then your GPU should be perfectly fine.

(09-06-2013, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Damn that's some good reaction time.

I get instant email notification of replies and have an email notifier that checks every single minute. The advantage is that I may be able to post a reply quick enough that whoever I'm replying to will still be around to be able to reply back without having to possibly wait days.

(09-06-2013, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:Must I always explain myself down to the smallest detail so that you don't point out any possible fallacies?

Is this even a question? Yes.

When I am around you must be perfect and meticulous at all times. That's all I ask for. Anything less is unacceptable.

If it's any consolation your posts are some of the most fun to correct .

Ok, now you're just pushing my "tsundere buttons" intentionally, and I don't even know if you know what that means.

(09-06-2013, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Insert a 4GB memory module into 一ne slot and a 2GB into another. There you now have 6GB in dual channel as long as they're in the right slots. People do it all the time.

吾 believe you can also do 3 x 2GB in dual channel mode so long as you use the right slots too although 吾've never done it before personally.

mitch1224 is using mobile Llano. I've never heard of a laptop with 4 DIMM slots.

(09-06-2013, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]We can't base recommendations off of "playable" because everyone has a different personal definition of what speed is playable. What speed is "playable" to you?

You're correct, but I can't help it that "good enough" was the term used and not "full speed" - go blame Admin for that one.

(09-06-2013, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Half load turbos were implemented in turbo core 2.0. Which was implemented first in trinity and bulldozer. He has a llano cpu.

I know he has Llano but I thought Llano introduced turbo core 2.0 and turbo core 1.0 was what Thuban had (AKA was technically there but didn't really work at all).

(09-06-2013, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Normal people have no need for ram disks. 吾'm certain he doesn't use them.

Hence the

(09-06-2013, 10:04 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [ -> ]Stop! You'll kill us all!

At least I acknowledge that such a topic is extremely... I guess we could say "combustible"? And that's without mentioning putting the pagefile on a ramdisk - that REALLY gets some people bent out of shape!

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:Ok, now you're just pushing my "tsundere buttons" intentionally, and I don't even know if you know what that means.

I don't. And googling it has turned up slightly disturbing results as most common Japanese terms used by English speaking people tend to.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:And that's without mentioning putting the pagefile on a ramdisk - that REALLY gets some people bent out of shape!

Please stop. I can feel my brain melting into a flat mass of nerve tissue.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:mitch1224 is using mobile Llano. I've never heard of a laptop with 4 DIMM slots.

Assuming that it has only two dimm slots then common sense dictates that it has to be running in dual channel. There are no 6GB DIMMs out there so he must be using a 2GB DIMM and a 4GB DIMM, filling both slots.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:You're correct, but I can't help it that "good enough" was the term used and not "full speed" - go blame Admin for that one.

I always blame the foreign guy. Always.

Nintendo Maniac 64 Wrote:I know he has Llano but I thought Llano introduced turbo core 2.0 and turbo core 1.0 was what Thuban had (AKA was technically there but didn't really work at all).

To be honest I don't even pay attention to the numbering (although I double checked and you are wrong). I just know that they added half load turbo with bulldozer. It's part of the CMT (modular) system. Each pair of cores is organized into a module. If one core is active in the module instead of both the module can turbo to a higher speed since it uses less power. This of course logically requires a modular design.