Windows 10

[DatKid20]

(09-25-2015, 01:25 AM)jimbo1qaz Wrote: Spying on which files accessed on a local operating system, what the user types in a local OS, is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE worse than online tracking. Offline work by definition is protected privacy, to an extent simply not possible with free online services.

It really doesn't though. People have been upgrading Pirated Copies of Windows 8 to Windows 10 with 0 problems. You're overestimating what MS does.

[AnyOldName3]

All of the things jimbo1qaz is complaining about were just for the preview/beta and were there so they could exactly reproduce any issue that arose, and it explicitly said this in the licence agreement for the preview/beta.

[DacoTaco]

(09-25-2015, 03:54 AM)Jhonn Wrote:

(09-25-2015, 01:02 AM)DacoTaco Wrote: remember that time when skype was forced on every pc with windows 8 and automatic updates for a few hours because of their fuck up?
ye, i dont want that
remember that random kb that caused alot of OS issues?
ye, i dont want that.

AFAIK Microsoft released a small applet that allows you "blacklisting" specific updates. However, it's only for Windows 10 Pro, I think...

if its pro only i can understand, but am still pissed XD
i dont have money for the pro version :/

[Xtreme2damax]

I'm testing out Windows 10. I've ran into some minor issues. I didn't upgrade over my Windows 7 install, instead I followed directions from this article to perform a clean install and activate on another partition.

The problems I am running into..

- Trying to download the DirectX web updater from this page redirects me to the "Download Windows 10" page. Well I've already downloaded, installed and activated Windows 10 so I dunno why it's doing that. It's also doing that when I try accessing that url from my Windows 7 install. I had the old full June 2010 DirectX redistributable stored so I installed that. Now I need the web updater to bring DirectX 9.0c runtimes current.

- I installed all vc++ redistributables as I did on my Windows 7 install but Dolphin is giving me an error about missing dll's. I presume that's because I still need to run the webupdater which I cannot do since microsoft keeps telling me to download Windows 10. I didn't need the dll's in my Dolphin directory on my Windows 7 install and I prefer it that way.

- Removed DVD player functionality. Really Microsoft? I read I'm eligible to download the DVD player app free for a limited time by upgrading to Windows 10. I did not technically upgrade, no way was I upgrading over my Windows 7. Clean install all the way. Is there a way to get the app for free now?

Other gripes..

- UI is flat, ugly. Still has hints of Metro in it, like it only slightly over W8. Not as much of a cluster**** as when I last tried W8. I hope someone makes a nice theme, really loved the glass look from Aero and wonder if I can enable or patch that in somehow.

- Don't like how updates are being forced, including driver updates. Really no options to tweak this other than defer updates. Heard WU likes to overwrite drivers against any wishes even if you have the latest driver, it will roll back to an older driver through WU. Dunno if that was fixed yet.

If anyone knows of any tweaks official or unofficial to improve the UI and other functionality it would put the above to rest. One last concern, are all my Safedisc protected games useless or will they run fine? Was all that speil about Safedisc protected games not working FUD?

[DatKid20]

You could try Start10

[mbc07]

(09-29-2015, 03:05 AM)Xtreme2damax Wrote: - Trying to download the DirectX web updater from this page redirects me to the "Download Windows 10" page. Well I've already downloaded, installed and activated Windows 10 so I dunno why it's doing that. It's also doing that when I try accessing that url from my Windows 7 install. I had the old full June 2010 DirectX redistributable stored so I installed that. Now I need the web updater to bring DirectX 9.0c runtimes current.

Something is going on in MS website, right now I'm being redirected too but I remember downloading them just fine last month. However, you shouldn't be concerned if you installed the old June 2010 package, it's still the latest available and in fact is just a offline version of the web installer, so you already have all DirectX runtimes (including the old ones).

(09-29-2015, 03:05 AM)Xtreme2damax Wrote: - I installed all vc++ redistributables as I did on my Windows 7 install but Dolphin is giving me an error about missing dll's. I presume that's because I still need to run the webupdater which I cannot do since microsoft keeps telling me to download Windows 10. I didn't need the dll's in my Dolphin directory on my Windows 7 install and I prefer it that way.

Make sure you've installed Visual C++ 2015 redistributables too. They're relatively new and are needed in current development builds.

(09-29-2015, 03:05 AM)Xtreme2damax Wrote: - Removed DVD player functionality. Really Microsoft? I read I'm eligible to download the DVD player app free for a limited time by upgrading to Windows 10. I did not technically upgrade, no way was I upgrading over my Windows 7. Clean install all the way. Is there a way to get the app for free now?

Microsoft released a DVD Player app for Windows 10 but it's charging 15 USD for it (really?). If you were running a Windows 7 version that had Windows Media Center or if you were running Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center, you get the new DVD Player app for free and it'll be installed silently by Windows Update. However, this works only if you did an in-place upgrade. If you do a clean install or if you do a in-place update to get the app and then do a clean install, the app is gone and you'll need to buy it (please, don't. Use something like VLC instead). In other words, you get the app for free only if you install Windows 10 as an upgrade, if you do a clean install there's no free app for you.

(09-29-2015, 03:05 AM)Xtreme2damax Wrote: - Don't like how updates are being forced, including driver updates. Really no options to tweak this other than defer updates. Heard WU likes to overwrite drivers against any wishes even if you have the latest driver, it will roll back to an older driver through WU. Dunno if that was fixed yet.

From my experience, it overwrites drivers you've installed only if there's a new version available in Windows Update, otherwise it won't even show those driver updates to you. AFAIK there's also a small applet that allow you blacklisting specific updates...

(09-29-2015, 03:05 AM)Xtreme2damax Wrote: If anyone knows of any tweaks official or unofficial to improve the UI and other functionality it would put the above to rest. One last concern, are all my Safedisc protected games useless or will they run fine? Was all that speil about Safedisc protected games not working FUD?

I didn't try any SafeDisc/SecuROM games except GTA IV, which worked fine (however I have the Steam version, it may be patched already). From what I heard, SafeDisc/SecuROM protection silently installs an authentication driver into the system and MS was concerned about security holes. As result, MS removed the APIs that allowed this driver to work (or something like that). AFAIK MS is also rolling an update to Windows 7/8 that does the same and I'm sure that's gonna cause a lot of controversies, especially for old-school gamers...

[AnyOldName3]

Microsoft haven't removed SecuROM, just disabled support by default. There's a registry patch to turn it back on again.

Also, can you even play DVDs with vanilla VLC? I thought you had to have a decryption key which is supposed to cost like £10 to the end user (hence why so many prebuilts come with PowerDVD), and while it's been known for years, you can still get in a lot of trouble if you include it in free software.

[Xtreme2damax]

- So it's the MS website. Still I'd like to run the webupdater which I can not download from MS. I remember I had some issues in W7 until I ran that since the June 2010 package doesn't include all updated dlls and runtimes.

- I've installed the vc++ 2015 redistributable, both x86 and x64. Dolphin still complains about missing dll's. Maybe there's a newer version or I'm still missing something?

- There were some reports about Windows update overwriting drivers despite the WU driver being older than what end user had installed. Microsoft might have fixed this since.

- Sigh.. about the DVD player app. I'd prefer something official. Is VLC lightweight install size and resource usage? Does it handle Bluray and DVD movies? I still have a disc for Cyberlink PowerDVD that came with my hardware/BD-R drive when I built my system years ago.

[Garteal]

I've always installed the June 2010 package on clean installs to ensure stuff work properly and that the older and not included dlls are present on my system and I've never had any issue.

Quote:- I've installed the vc++ 2015 redistributable, both x86 and x64. Dolphin still complains about missing dll's. Maybe there's a newer version or I'm still missing something?

What dlls is it complaining about? If you're sure you've installed everything correctly and if it isn't telling you what you miss, you can grab Dependency Walker and check what's missing.

Quote:- There were some reports about Windows update overwriting drivers despite the WU driver being older than what end user had installed. Microsoft might have fixed this since.

Never had it happen to me and I've been on 10 since release. You can always turn it off if you want though.

Quote:- Sigh.. about the DVD player app. I'd prefer something official. Is VLC lightweight install size and resource usage? Does it handle Bluray and DVD movies? I still have a disc for Cyberlink PowerDVD that came with my hardware/BD-R drive when I built my system years ago.

"Official"?
If you care about quality and proper decoding, then either grab MPC-HC/MPC-BC, LAV Filters and madVR or MPDN.
They'll play DVDs for sure but for Bluray, you'll have to decrypt the movie before you can play them with these. I personally just decrypt and remux em to mkv but I understand that's not always an option so just use PowerDVD in that case.

[mbc07]

(09-29-2015, 05:18 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: Also, can you even play DVDs with vanilla VLC? I thought you had to have a decryption key which is supposed to cost like £10 to the end user (hence why so many prebuilts come with PowerDVD), and while it's been known for years, you can still get in a lot of trouble if you include it in free software.

I know VLC plays virtually anything you throw at it, independent of what codecs you have in your system, even DVD-Video discs (not sure about Blu-ray discs, never tried). Apparently the laws from the country of VLC developers allow that, I'm not sure...