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Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea.
03-30-2014, 08:10 PM
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Wally, I gonna level with you here, but it requires you to come to terms with a few things first. I'm not saying you have to, and I don't want you to lie and say you agree if you don't.

1: Your first post in this thread is full of buzzwords, bullshit and absolute insanity.

Now, I don't think you're an unintelligent person, you write in complete sentences with proper grammar which puts you above a lot of people in the world. I don't know why you went through so much effort to try and prove a point, but you missed the mark completely. Whether you knew it at the time, or were just in over your head with stuff you didn't understand, the first post of this thread has no real value in the conversation.

2: Asynchronous audio is less accurate

You need to understand that you're not asking for them to increase accuracy, that's where you went wrong. You got it into your head somehow through very convoluted means that asynchronous = more accurate. It doesn't. Don't try to argue it, we already know the truth. The thing is, you don't need to argue that it's more accurate. There is a counter argument against it that doesn't involve bullshitting around.

3: You're asking for a very hard to implement feature.

The old asynchronous audio is full of hacks to make it work; and causes ton of game issues, while accurate audio emulation works just by doing what it's supposed to do. Simply putting an option in for the old code would cause months of work, cause tons of headaches and problems for developers, and make it harder to improve the good audio emulation. Do you really think they're that unreasonable? That if they could just plug in the old code without any repercussions and give users a choice, they wouldn't to spite the users?

4: Asynchronous audio does have userside benefits

Developers get little/no benefit for having asynchronous audio. They're making the emulator to emulate the games, for the most part they're not in it to play video games at full speed. That being said, some people are okay with a game not running full speed as long as they still get a good experience. Audio is part of the experience. Delroth has said before and will probably say again that if someone made an asynchronous HLE option that met Dolphin's coding standards that there would be no issue merging it. It's just that doing it is a ton of work, it has absolutely no benefits to the quality of emulation, and will likely cause problems down the road when the proper audio gets upgrades.

5: Users have a limited perspective.

Sometimes users don't know what's good for them as well. Asynchronous audio caused problems in literally hundreds of games, crashes, no audio, broken audio, hangs, and music freezes. Heck, look at Mario Galaxy 1/2 up until Zelda HLE was synchronous. You either dealt with the hangs and couldn't beat the game (easily) or used the LLE plugin which is a multitude slower and even I can't get running full speed on a fairly modern computer. Thanks to having an ACCURATE HLE option, now I can play the game just fine. For many years, these games were basically unplayable in HLE due to being left behind due to how hard it would be to update the code and make it more accurate.

Users asking for asynchronous audio don't realize that it means not being able to trust HLE audio again. It took me months to realize just how great it was to have, just how bad the old way of handling audio was. Can it be better? Probably. Can it be perfect and trustable to always work? Doubtful. Games rely on audio being synchronous for the timings of events. Without those timings being synced to what the game expects, there will always be a risk of a game suddenly crashing with no recourse.

That's my thoughts on it, at least. I hope this helps you see more of what I'm seeing in this particular situation. And why the reaction was so livid from the Dolphin familiars.
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Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 05:55 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Sonicadvance1 - 03-30-2014, 06:18 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - delroth - 03-30-2014, 06:29 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 07:44 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - mudlord - 03-30-2014, 03:34 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 04:08 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - mudlord - 04-01-2014, 04:50 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-31-2014, 12:00 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-30-2014, 06:54 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-30-2014, 07:54 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 08:03 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-30-2014, 07:54 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - pauldacheez - 03-30-2014, 08:02 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - neobrain - 03-30-2014, 08:03 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - delroth - 03-30-2014, 08:10 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 09:35 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-30-2014, 08:28 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Xtreme2damax - 03-30-2014, 08:38 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-30-2014, 09:50 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - degasus - 03-30-2014, 10:25 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 11:41 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - shuffle2 - 03-30-2014, 11:42 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-30-2014, 11:51 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 12:39 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Sonicadvance1 - 03-30-2014, 12:16 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-30-2014, 12:22 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - pauldacheez - 03-30-2014, 12:17 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-30-2014, 12:53 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 01:21 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-30-2014, 01:35 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 01:52 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Gir - 03-30-2014, 02:11 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-30-2014, 02:26 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-30-2014, 02:08 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-30-2014, 08:10 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-31-2014, 02:00 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-31-2014, 03:44 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - degasus - 03-31-2014, 05:17 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - NaturalViolence - 03-31-2014, 06:02 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-31-2014, 06:22 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-31-2014, 06:29 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-31-2014, 06:56 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-31-2014, 11:01 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - NaturalViolence - 03-31-2014, 07:17 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - kinkinkijkin - 03-31-2014, 08:09 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - AnyOldName3 - 03-31-2014, 09:00 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - NaturalViolence - 03-31-2014, 09:10 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - degasus - 03-31-2014, 07:08 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Xtreme2damax - 03-31-2014, 11:21 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Wally123 - 03-31-2014, 11:51 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - ExtremeDude2 - 04-01-2014, 02:05 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - RachelB - 04-01-2014, 09:05 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 03-31-2014, 11:26 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 04-01-2014, 04:57 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - JMC47 - 04-01-2014, 09:17 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - NaturalViolence - 04-02-2014, 11:39 AM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - Gir - 04-02-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: Why asynchronous audio should not have been removed....and an idea. - NaturalViolence - 04-03-2014, 04:36 AM

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