*sigh* You certainly know how to hold a grudge. I would prefer to let Shonumi handle this, he is the administrator and I prefer to defer to him on matters like this, but he can't know what or why I did what I did there, so I will comment on that.
You were the first one to use the word "ass".
Call it "metaphorical" if you wish, but it was a direct inference that you called him an ass. Which is how he took it.
And so, you reported it, which brought my attention to the discussion. In my badass moderator days, I would have warned you BOTH with points on the spot, with every additional argumentative post as an additional warning. Neither of you should have been calling the other an ass. Maybe I should have warned you all? But honestly, I didn't want to do that, I don't like doing that, and it was very early into the argument, so instead I decided to be nice and give a little lecture to try to diffuse the situation.
After I fussed at him for his part in the argument (not quoted, see the link), my goal was to calm him down. I did it by stating some facts, such as clarifying that despite the developer tag, you do not speak for Dolphin in any capacity. This was done to make sure he understood that this was just a person to person disagreement between you and him, and that I was not intervening in the situation because you are a "developer" and he a lowly user. This was especially important since my chastisement of him was stronger than mine toward you. My use of the word "ass" was deliberate, it was for the goal of calming him down since he believed you called him an ass. To be blunt, I knew that you were not about to give the olive branch of an apology (for the misunderstanding) to stop the escalation, and just shutting it down with a heavy hand without any show of empathy or acknowledgement would leave him without any closure. So with your um, brusque attitude in mind, I used the word you used against him while speaking about you to him, in a way that I thought would help calm him. And it worked! He backed down, and apologized for his part.
Note that I used the word ass while saying you are always right, which is a compliment. I had hoped that by affirming you publicly mixed with the insult would alleviate any offense to you. I honestly thought that you'd be proud of being called an ass in that fashion, since the rough and rugged I-don't-care-what-anyone-thinks personality is kind of what you project, and I publicly affirmed it. Apparently that was a misjudgment, as you have never gotten over that.
I have been the cracking the whip style moderator before, simply because in that place I had to be! But I don't want to be that. My goal was the preferred outcome where everyone was happy and calm without any warnings being handed out for it. So I took a chance and tried to calm everyone down without warnings. My use of the word ass was a calculated move, and unfortunately it didn't work out with you. I am sorry that it offended you.
Now, I hope I am not interfering with Shonumi in this, but there is something I want to address. You keep bringing up technicalities of the rules and nitpicking our actions. You are kind of ignoring the bigger picture here. We are the staff here, elevated to this position by the community at large after spending many years here. While we do answer to the community, we are the managers of it, and by coming here you agree to the leadership of the staff.
Our rule system is not a super strict set of rules and counter rules with preset infractions, it is a loose guideline of what the community will not accept, and that's it. The rules are purposefully vague (like the US Constitution ) to allow the staff the flexibility to interpret them as they see fit on a case by case basis. And you know what, we'll make mistakes! We're human! But we are doing the job we were asked to do to the best of our ability, and trying to do it in a way that is friendly and considerate of everyone. It's messy, it's inaccurate, it's vague, but it has heart. All of these slights and grudges that you have built up against us? They are just the result of human interactions. We cannot be perfect! If you cannot give us leeway to interpret the rules and make mistakes sometimes, you are not going to like it here very much, and this is only going to get worse.
You were the first one to use the word "ass".
(02-18-2015, 06:18 AM)tueidj Wrote: You can run around in the street with your pants on your head too, doesn't mean it's a sensible thing to do or that other people will put up with you acting like an ass.(all quotes are linked, click for context)
Call it "metaphorical" if you wish, but it was a direct inference that you called him an ass. Which is how he took it.
(02-18-2015, 06:19 PM)Dolphy Wrote:(02-18-2015, 06:18 AM)tueidj Wrote: with you acting like an ass.
The only one who is acting like an ass is you. I posted it in other topics as well (actually confirmed that it broke more things) so devs would fix it as soon as possible and make it a high priority of it because the 5450 update caused a regression.
And so, you reported it, which brought my attention to the discussion. In my badass moderator days, I would have warned you BOTH with points on the spot, with every additional argumentative post as an additional warning. Neither of you should have been calling the other an ass. Maybe I should have warned you all? But honestly, I didn't want to do that, I don't like doing that, and it was very early into the argument, so instead I decided to be nice and give a little lecture to try to diffuse the situation.
(02-18-2015, 09:07 PM)MaJoR Wrote: Btw you may want to know that tueidj is not a "developer" technically. He works on Wii and Wii U console exploits and homebrew, and knows a great great deal about the consoles. That said, he doesn't do anything in Dolphin. He was only given the title because people didn't think what he said was worth listening to because of how he is, even though everything he was saying was correct. To put it bluntly - he's an ass, but he's right!
After I fussed at him for his part in the argument (not quoted, see the link), my goal was to calm him down. I did it by stating some facts, such as clarifying that despite the developer tag, you do not speak for Dolphin in any capacity. This was done to make sure he understood that this was just a person to person disagreement between you and him, and that I was not intervening in the situation because you are a "developer" and he a lowly user. This was especially important since my chastisement of him was stronger than mine toward you. My use of the word "ass" was deliberate, it was for the goal of calming him down since he believed you called him an ass. To be blunt, I knew that you were not about to give the olive branch of an apology (for the misunderstanding) to stop the escalation, and just shutting it down with a heavy hand without any show of empathy or acknowledgement would leave him without any closure. So with your um, brusque attitude in mind, I used the word you used against him while speaking about you to him, in a way that I thought would help calm him. And it worked! He backed down, and apologized for his part.
Note that I used the word ass while saying you are always right, which is a compliment. I had hoped that by affirming you publicly mixed with the insult would alleviate any offense to you. I honestly thought that you'd be proud of being called an ass in that fashion, since the rough and rugged I-don't-care-what-anyone-thinks personality is kind of what you project, and I publicly affirmed it. Apparently that was a misjudgment, as you have never gotten over that.
I have been the cracking the whip style moderator before, simply because in that place I had to be! But I don't want to be that. My goal was the preferred outcome where everyone was happy and calm without any warnings being handed out for it. So I took a chance and tried to calm everyone down without warnings. My use of the word ass was a calculated move, and unfortunately it didn't work out with you. I am sorry that it offended you.
Now, I hope I am not interfering with Shonumi in this, but there is something I want to address. You keep bringing up technicalities of the rules and nitpicking our actions. You are kind of ignoring the bigger picture here. We are the staff here, elevated to this position by the community at large after spending many years here. While we do answer to the community, we are the managers of it, and by coming here you agree to the leadership of the staff.
Our rule system is not a super strict set of rules and counter rules with preset infractions, it is a loose guideline of what the community will not accept, and that's it. The rules are purposefully vague (like the US Constitution ) to allow the staff the flexibility to interpret them as they see fit on a case by case basis. And you know what, we'll make mistakes! We're human! But we are doing the job we were asked to do to the best of our ability, and trying to do it in a way that is friendly and considerate of everyone. It's messy, it's inaccurate, it's vague, but it has heart. All of these slights and grudges that you have built up against us? They are just the result of human interactions. We cannot be perfect! If you cannot give us leeway to interpret the rules and make mistakes sometimes, you are not going to like it here very much, and this is only going to get worse.
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