THE WAR FOR ETERNITY - INTEL vs. AMD

[NaturalViolence]

Even if AMD had a vastly superior superior microarchitecture (which they have had many times before) they still wouldn't be able to crush intel because they simple lack the manufacturing power to provide to major vendors like dell and hp in large quantities. That's what happened with athlon 64, everyone wanted a piece of it but they had to turn them down....kind of sad looking back. And actually intel didn't have to buy the licensing rights for A64 because intel and amd have adual patent agreement which is strictly upheld. Simple put any technology developed by either one belongs to both. But with global foundries new manufacturing plant on schedule to be up and running in 2011 amd will finally have the manufacturing power to provide to major vendors in large quantities. So the next time amd pulls another A64....well I don't even need to say anything else.

Quote:This refers that in their first series of 7th gen processors, Intel is quite a winner, but AMD is using DDR which doubles the data transfer range

You forgot to mention how Athlon XP had more than 50% more performance per clock than pentium 4 in both integer and floating point math on average. Not to mention is did it with a much smaller architecture that consumed less power and had a much lower tdp. It was both more powerful and more efficient. I had a desktop with P4 northwood 2.5 Ghz and a system with an athlon xp 1.8 GHz and I can tell you my athlon xp system ran rings around the pentium 4.

[Arpit]

(06-17-2010, 02:23 AM)edgartheface Wrote:

(06-17-2010, 02:17 AM)Arpit Wrote: (i think they should expand their production, and market in India, that should REALLY REALLY help them...

They developed their current architecture in Bangalore. ...

But they didn't released in Indian market...It was quite clear that Bengaluru is the Silicon plateau and men are very hardworking and draw less salaries than americans...(USA)...that's why california is growing EMPTIER..

In my city, I bought only processor of shipment of AMD....That's AMD Athlon 64....only single processor in the city...:O

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(06-17-2010, 02:32 AM)kernel64 Wrote: Okay, I had to vent it out of my system. I'm not an Intel fanboy because I wanted to, but many times it was because many apps I've used in the past (there are fewer now) were optimized for (and some others compatible only) for Intel. In many ways it's not even about architecture, but about marketing. I mean, come on, even Mac had to switch to Intel.

Yeah...Intel is crushing AMD all the way because of their marketing tactics...Take an example of my country.
India homes the population of atleast 1.02 billion people. Atleast, you can say even 1% of people, that's 10 million people are willing to purchase a new PC, including me...(few months back). If AMD had similar marketing tactics, even they had once aired their commercial during FIFA worldcup and told about their processor is superior than Intel, atleast 5 million people would had bought that. It is cheaper than Intel, so more had bought that. That should had added to their revenue and their market standings....But does AMD cares...?

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(06-17-2010, 04:34 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Even if AMD had a vastly superior superior microarchitecture (which they have had many times before) they still wouldn't be able to crush intel because they simple lack the manufacturing power to provide to major vendors like dell and hp in large quantities. That's what happened with athlon 64, everyone wanted a piece of it but they had to turn them down....kind of sad looking back. And actually intel didn't have to buy the licensing rights for A64 because intel and amd have adual patent agreement which is strictly upheld. Simple put any technology developed by either one belongs to both. But with global foundries new manufacturing plant on schedule to be up and running in 2011 amd will finally have the manufacturing power to provide to major vendors in large quantities. So the next time amd pulls another A64....well I don't even need to say anything else.

Quote:This refers that in their first series of 7th gen processors, Intel is quite a winner, but AMD is using DDR which doubles the data transfer range

You forgot to mention how Athlon XP had more than 50% more performance per clock than pentium 4 in both integer and floating point math on average. Not to mention is did it with a much smaller architecture that consumed less power and had a much lower tdp. It was both more powerful and more efficient. I had a desktop with P4 northwood 2.5 Ghz and a system with an athlon xp 1.8 GHz and I can tell you my athlon xp system ran rings around the pentium 4.

Yeah, I had made comparison only between the first Athlon XP and first P4 series. I said it seems that Intel is quite a winner, in terms of frequency I forgot...:p
Well I am a 10th class student who still don't know about IIT pattern.... But I'll try to consult you and Ocean...
Well I shall move to Dual cores then...Cancel out P4...?

[8=D]

Wow i just learned something, "Advanced Micro Devices" is the acronym for Amd.
Wonder what Intel stands for..

[Ocean]

(06-17-2010, 02:17 AM)Arpit Wrote: Yeah...but still got crushed by Intel....:p (i think they should expand their production, and market in India, that should REALLY REALLY help them...)

and which lineup should I continue, either 7 gen or Dual core era.....????

What do you want to do with your computer? If only video gaming and dolphin emulation, a newer athlon x2 processor or core 2 duo / core i3 is decent enough.

If you need to do cpu intensive tasks like video rendering or 3d modelling that uses every thread available, get a core i5/7 processor. If time and efficiency is a professional issue then you shouldn't bother with amd except with maybe the top range phenom II's or the 6-core 1090T. Practically no company that renders with Sony Vegas for example uses anything else than i7 processors. Many even use dual xeon 16-core workstations for long rendering overnight.

For pure video gaming or film watching there is no significant difference. I have a phenom on my htpc because it's price efficient for bluray decoding, but wouldn't use it for work related stuff.

[NaturalViolence]

That's your opinion. Not going to debate you on it because it would be pointless but as you know I have a different opinion.

Quote:Wow i just learned something, "Advanced Micro Devices" is the acronym for Amd.
Wonder what Intel stands for..

Intel stands for intel. AMD is an acronym but intel is just a word, short for intelligence.

[Ocean]

No, the name Intel comes from "Integrated Electronics".
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/289747/Intel-Corporation

Also I don't think raw processing power is an opinion since no matter how objective you try to be, AMD processors are not suitable for professional cpu-heavy applications compared to IBM cell blades and intel processors due to relatively low performance.

I've done 3D rendering for some 4 and ½ years and after doing consulting and onsite development never have I seen a company whose studio uses amd in the workstations

[edgartheface]

(06-18-2010, 04:14 AM)Ocean Wrote: I've done 3D rendering for some 4 and ½ years and after doing consulting and onsite development never have I seen a company whose studio uses amd in the workstations

Pixar uses or used AMD Opterons to produce their movies.

[Ocean]

True, Pixar has alternated between Sun microchips, amd and intel through the years since the 90's. Currently Pixar uses Intel Itanium rendering grids though.
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/grid-supercomputer-demonstrates-intel-itaniumr-2-processor-prowess/

http://www.developers.net/intelisdshowcase/view/2247

Other studios such as Dreamworks that produce most 3D animations use intel.

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2008/07/dreamworks-inte/

[Arpit]

(06-18-2010, 03:23 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: That's your opinion. Not going to debate you on it because it would be pointless but as you know I have a different opinion.

Quote:Wow i just learned something, "Advanced Micro Devices" is the acronym for Amd.
Wonder what Intel stands for..

Intel stands for intel. AMD is an acronym but intel is just a word, short for intelligence.

Intel was founded on July 18, 1968, as Integrated Electronics Corporation (though a common misconception is that "Intel" is from the word intelligence

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I think a new era of server is coming, which is very power-efficient and has good performance (as I heard:p) but it's worth mentioning...
This server triumphs the power of almighty Intel......
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3768/seamicro-announces-sm10000-server-with-512-atom-cpus-and-low-power-consumption

512 Atom CPU in a server....???? Probably more power-efficient than dozens of Opteron or Xeons....

[jontcold]

amd ride for good cpu at incredible price
intel get for they super cpu but the price is to expensive for the differnce in price dollard for dollard amd is the best user choose i think