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12-29-2011, 10:35 PM
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(12-29-2011, 09:56 AM)Shonumi Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 09:26 AM)DacoTaco Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 03:05 AM)Runo Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 12:35 AM)DacoTaco Wrote:
(12-28-2011, 11:26 PM)LordVador Wrote: We have a quite similar thing here in France Big Grin What about you guys?

if youre talking about sopa, the difference is that the main dns server/routing server is located in america. so a law like SOPA could censor -ANYTHING- on the internet even if its not hosted in america

Yeah but if I understand correctly the site would still be variable in other countries, the internet providers in US would be forced to block access to this sites, like china..
no.

again, the main dns/router servers are in america. remove a dns entry in those dns servers and over time the site wont be accessable trough and url.
block routing to that ip in a high up routing table(which is also in the us) and you can block a site on a world scale. that is the information i got when looking into sopa. i could be wrong and i would love to be proven wrong cause this is madness

From what I've been reading, ArsTechnica mostly, neither SOPA nor the Senate PROTECT IP actually remove DNS records from DNS servers. It would, however, force American ISPs to basically ignore DNS requests from their customers if they try to look up any blacklisted sites. DNS records only translate website names to IP addresses, so trying to reach sites by their IP address will work, for now... You would also still be able to use foreign DNS servers. Opponents of the legislation say that people might start using those servers if the laws go into effect, and they worry about their reliability (e.g. accuracy, privacy, security, etc).

These proposed laws do seem to overstep American boundaries because they can "sieze" any generic top-level domain names that US registrars control. This basically includes all .com, .net, and (obviously) .us sites; I'm not sure about .org though. Imagine a kid in the UK makes a .com site, but the US decides to take over his domain name. That's were things definitely feel messed up, internationally speaking.

Generally speaking, these laws are abhorrent. I'm hoping that they don't pass. The so called "Big Content" industry needs to adjust to this new millennium.
the law allows american government to block dns queries & routing in the us iirc. meaning they could block them in the top level dns servers , which in turn affects all dns servers in the world. so basically it wouldn't matter if its .com or anything iirc.

but however you look at it, this is bad
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12-30-2011, 02:00 AM (This post was last modified: 12-30-2011, 02:22 AM by Runo.)
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(12-29-2011, 02:06 PM)Starscream Wrote: I really hope they don't ruin our internet. Having said that, if you think about what they're trying to do, they're trying to protect the people who create content so that people buy it instead of downloading it for free. This very forum bans people everyday based on that very concept and everyone supports that, what's the difference?

We don't censor, we forbid, it's different. Force a download site to remove its ilegal contents, not block access to this content.

The difference is slight and the first way is much harder to do, but it is important to stay away from the second at all costs, because the power that needs to be given to the governments/authorities to apply this method are such that it can easily go out of control and/or be manipulated, and once it's done there is no return. The national and international laws all over the world are not mature enough for a censor system on the internet.

See, some time ago a guy appeared here looking for something, I can't really remember now and I can't find his thread anywhere, but It think it was TortoiseGIT, but he couldn't because the TortoiseGIT site and most download sites were censored in his country, so he was asking for an alternate place. See? This is ridiculous! And he can't complain because the government there had the power to censor sites, and then if it's decided something will be censored it will be and nobody can stop them.

You can't give someone power expecting them to have common sense, you must limit this power so common sense isn't needed. Specially on a government, where you can't guarantee there will be always good/decent/smart people in the future..

And talking frankly, this just feels wrong. The internet should have no nationality. It should have it's own laws, international ones, and should be considered public international space. No country should be able control it, tough I agree if they want to block its users access to it there is nothing we can do because that's the governments choice and if the people dont like its their fight and another story etc etc.

There should be other ways of fighting piracy out there, Einstein once thought just like you (which could mean you are very smart if you think about itTongue) and gave the US the power to stop the Nazis. Only problem is, the US would win anyway, because Nazis were basically fucked by the time the first bomb was ready, and Japan could have been fought in the classic way which would take a little longer but the war was already won anyways.. Andd then when everything was over there was one problem: The nuclear weapons existed. Which made we dive into the cold war. You can argue the URSS and even the US would invent that anyways sooner or later, but my point here is that Einstein, fearing the Nazis would win, gave a power to the world itself, he could not retrieve later. This might seem an overreacted analogy and I don't mean to compare SOPA to WWII, but try to understand my logics: Once you give them the power to censor what they want, even if they destroy internet piracy completely (which wont happen that easily), they will them start to censor other things, and nobody will be able to stop them.

Also, I'm not trying to prove nobody right or wrong in the war example. I wasn't even born on the WWII and the Cold War, and I couldn't care less about both sides motivations or/and reasons. I don't want to destroy this thread with offtopic War talk.
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12-30-2011, 02:25 AM (This post was last modified: 12-30-2011, 02:27 AM by LordVador.)
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I agree with this. The problem is that we live in an "excessive" world. I explain. Internet is a great thing : the best way to be free ever created as for me. But this freedom leads to excess. It's like that you can do nothing. In the same time you have "power" I mean people who have this power (governments here). Power (too much power) is like Internet : it leads to excess. This excess of power may be useful but it may be overdone (too many examples in History unfortunately). I guess it's like a war here (at least for guys who lead us), a new kind of war, a "virtual conflict"...
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12-30-2011, 02:58 AM
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I'm an simple minded guy when it comes to this Smile
As long as I can reach my mail, post here or download my regular software updates from FileHippo and Microsoft and my favorite emulators from the official sites I don't care how much they censor the net.

When they start to mess with these things then I'm pissed.
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12-30-2011, 03:06 AM
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People are going to rule and regulate things to death until you're not able to walk down the street anymore. It's been happening for a long time now and will continue to happen, it's going to be our downfall as people. It's quite unfortunate, but it's inevitable. Why will it happen? For the reasons I've already explained. People are going to protect other people's right to not get their stuff stolen, then they're going to go overboard and try to take away much more than that. Here's the bottom line: I'm pretty sure this will happen at some point, so if there is something that you need that is online, get it now while you still can.
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12-30-2011, 03:15 AM
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I'm not 100% sure how this law works but wont this law kinda affect us, cause you know, we are kinda ripping off Nintendo and stopping people buying their consoles or dosent it work that way?
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12-30-2011, 03:25 AM
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(12-30-2011, 03:15 AM)Zee530 Wrote: I'm not 100% sure how this law works but wont this law kinda affect us, cause you know, we are kinda ripping off Nintendo and stopping people buying their consoles or dosent it work that way?
if the law passes to some extend yes.

in some way they could even take complete code.google.com down

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12-30-2011, 03:32 AM
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(12-30-2011, 03:15 AM)Zee530 Wrote: I'm not 100% sure how this law works but wont this law kinda affect us, cause you know, we are kinda ripping off Nintendo and stopping people buying their consoles or dosent it work that way?

Do you mean these laws could have been "sponsorized" or "inspired" by big societies? Maybe. We may guess they ain't against Big Grin
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12-30-2011, 03:42 AM (This post was last modified: 12-30-2011, 04:10 AM by Shonumi.)
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(12-29-2011, 10:35 PM)DacoTaco Wrote: the law allows american government to block dns queries & routing in the us iirc. meaning they could block them in the top level dns servers , which in turn affects all dns servers in the world. so basically it wouldn't matter if its .com or anything iirc.

but however you look at it, this is bad

I still don't think that's how this terrible law will operate. I went over the bill's PDF on the House's site. The relevant part is Section 102c (2)(A)(i) - sorry, dunno how to cite US bills properly.

Quote:IN GENERAL.— A service provider shall take technically feasible and reason able measures designed to prevent access by its subscribers located within the United States to the foreign infringing site (or portion thereof) that is subject to the order, including measures designed to prevent the domain name of the foreign infringing site (or portion thereof) from resolving to that domain name’s Internet Protocol address. Such actions shall be taken as expeditiously as possible, but in any case within 5 days after being served with a copy of the order, or within such time as the court may order.

The key part is that access is only disabled for subscribers within the United States. If Comcast (my ISP) had customers in Germany, they'd be safe. I can't find anything that says foreign ISPs can't connect to correctly translate DNS queries for themselves. All of the legal actions are aimed at US based intermediaries (ISPs, payment processors, search engines); it doesn't look like they're touching the DNS servers in any way. They're enforcing the site-blocking at the ISP level only and only for US ISPs.

When customers use their ISP, the ISP queries DNS servers (if the ISPs haven't cached their own records for quicker access), and the DNS servers send the translated IP address back to that ISP. SOPA essentially says to all American ISPs "don't even go there, bro" before they even think about connecting to the DNS server if the requested site is blacklisted. This is, by all accounts, censorship. But people in Canada, the UK, and any other place that's not America won't be affected by this sort of filtering.

But like I said earlier, SOPA also grants the government the power to "seize" any "domestic domain name", which encompasses any site with a domain name provided by US based registrars. A lot of websites with global audiences register sites with .com addresses, but all .com addresses come from US registries, so the government here could just up and take them. More censorship, but this time it actually extends beyond the US. I know of a handful of sites that have simply switched to domain names registered in their own countries, thus becoming .uk or .me sites just to avoid SOPA.

If they actually went after the DNS servers themselves, my God, I don't know if I could live here much longer. Copyright laws have gotten out of hand. Yeah, people need protection on their works, but that right shouldn't trump my Free Speech. I'll look at whatever sites I want to. I'm a writer and an indie game dev, so I have a stake in how copyright laws play out, and they're not so important as to damage the internet.
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12-30-2011, 04:25 AM
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(12-30-2011, 03:06 AM)Starscream Wrote: People are going to rule and regulate things to death until you're not able to walk down the street anymore. It's been happening for a long time now and will continue to happen, it's going to be our downfall as people. It's quite unfortunate, but it's inevitable. Why will it happen? For the reasons I've already explained. People are going to protect other people's right to not get their stuff stolen, then they're going to go overboard and try to take away much more than that. Here's the bottom line: I'm pretty sure this will happen at some point, so if there is something that you need that is online, get it now while you still can.

While it might sound depressing... my god it's true.
I take stuff for granted every time when I'm online, I'm just expecting things to be there.

Someday it might not be possible to download my favorite emus anymore Sad
Well thank god for backups and that most of the emus is near 100% functional.
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