Please say yes.

[RepWolf]

(04-29-2014, 03:01 PM)KHg8m3r Wrote: While many PC games are heading towards multi-core support, its only a few of the top, AAAAAAA titles that need them (like Watchdogs, for example). Most just use dual-core and offload to the GPU

Yes Watchdogs was the one I was thinking about. That game looks to be the beginning of a trend. There was another game I looked at that surprised me with quad core minimum requirements but I can't remember. I'm getting the Pentium anniversary and a galaxy gtx 750 slim for an htpc i'm building. It's a cheap build and I should be able to play dolphin, many current games and all old games (Kotor).

[Exoquatic]

Okay, I can't buy all these expensive things you're talking about, sorry. I'm on a tight $600 budget, which is why I'm trying to make compromises.]
The FX 6300 is cheap, and the motherboards for it are cheap too, and they're decent.
The Intel i3-whatever is a little bit more expensive, but the motherboards for it are expensive as hell, at least for me. At the minimum they are double what the AMD equivalent is. Plus, the motherboard has to have certain requirements... so I don't know what to do. I know the Intel i3-whatever is better for Dolphin, but will I at least be able to PLAY some games at the lowest settings? (native with performance tweaks)
If not, do you think I'd at least be able to play those same games on a PS2 emulator?
Xbox emulator?

Please help me. I'm on such a tight budget...

[RepWolf]

(04-29-2014, 03:20 PM)Exoquatic Wrote: Okay, I can't buy all these expensive things you're talking about, sorry. I'm on a tight $600 budget, which is why I'm trying to make compromises.]
The FX 6300 is cheap, and the motherboards for it are cheap too, and they're decent.
The Intel i3-whatever is a little bit more expensive, but the motherboards for it are expensive as hell, at least for me. At the minimum they are double what the AMD equivalent is. Plus, the motherboard has to have certain requirements... so I don't know what to do. I know the Intel i3-whatever is better for Dolphin, but will I at least be able to PLAY some games at the lowest settings? (native with performance tweaks)
If not, do you think I'd at least be able to play those same games on a PS2 emulator?
Xbox emulator?

Please help me. I'm on such a tight budget...

Unfortunately gaming isn't cheap, the hardware or the software. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It requires compromises.

The best compromise for you looks like an i5 4670k, no discrete gpu, and a cheap $80 z87 motherboard. Your build will be closer to $500. The haswell refresh is coming out soon so your buying at a good time. Lots of discounts on older hardware. Buy a discrete GPU when you have the money.

No AMD CPU. Everyone says the same thing.

[Exoquatic]

(04-29-2014, 03:35 PM)RepWolf Wrote:

(04-29-2014, 03:20 PM)Exoquatic Wrote: Okay, I can't buy all these expensive things you're talking about, sorry. I'm on a tight $600 budget, which is why I'm trying to make compromises.]
The FX 6300 is cheap, and the motherboards for it are cheap too, and they're decent.
The Intel i3-whatever is a little bit more expensive, but the motherboards for it are expensive as hell, at least for me. At the minimum they are double what the AMD equivalent is. Plus, the motherboard has to have certain requirements... so I don't know what to do. I know the Intel i3-whatever is better for Dolphin, but will I at least be able to PLAY some games at the lowest settings? (native with performance tweaks)
If not, do you think I'd at least be able to play those same games on a PS2 emulator?
Xbox emulator?

Please help me. I'm on such a tight budget...

Unfortunately gaming isn't cheap, the hardware or the software. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It requires compromises.

The best compromise for you looks like an i5 4670k, no discrete gpu, and a cheap $80 z87 motherboard. Your build will be closer to $500. The haswell refresh is coming out soon so your buying at a good time. Lots of discounts on older hardware. Buy a discrete GPU when you have the money.

No AMD CPU. Everyone says the same thing.

$80 mobo isn't cheap. Also, how would I be able to play games without a GPU? I'd have like 4 frames per second.

Here, this is my AMD setup. http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Exoquatic/saved/4pwq

If you want to see the Intel setup, just take off the AMD + Mobo, swap the AMD with the Intel i3-whatever and add like $80 because of the damn motherboards and BAM I'm over budget.

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Real quick. I'm going to bed, but I'll check in the morning. Is a quad-core processor okay for Dolphin? The reason why I don't want to go lower than 4 is because of that earlier comment someone made, and this computer is good enough to play Watch Dogs, I'm excited for Watch Dogs, not being able to play that would really make me upset. So, instead of a 6-core or a 2-core, what about a 4-core?

What I was originally getting was the AMD FX-6300, 6 cores, 3rd generation, the other one is the AMD FX-4300, 4 cores, 3rd generation. Are they both similar in performance?

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(04-29-2014, 03:40 PM)Exoquatic Wrote:

(04-29-2014, 03:35 PM)RepWolf Wrote:

(04-29-2014, 03:20 PM)Exoquatic Wrote: Okay, I can't buy all these expensive things you're talking about, sorry. I'm on a tight $600 budget, which is why I'm trying to make compromises.]
The FX 6300 is cheap, and the motherboards for it are cheap too, and they're decent.
The Intel i3-whatever is a little bit more expensive, but the motherboards for it are expensive as hell, at least for me. At the minimum they are double what the AMD equivalent is. Plus, the motherboard has to have certain requirements... so I don't know what to do. I know the Intel i3-whatever is better for Dolphin, but will I at least be able to PLAY some games at the lowest settings? (native with performance tweaks)
If not, do you think I'd at least be able to play those same games on a PS2 emulator?
Xbox emulator?

Please help me. I'm on such a tight budget...

Unfortunately gaming isn't cheap, the hardware or the software. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It requires compromises.

The best compromise for you looks like an i5 4670k, no discrete gpu, and a cheap $80 z87 motherboard. Your build will be closer to $500. The haswell refresh is coming out soon so your buying at a good time. Lots of discounts on older hardware. Buy a discrete GPU when you have the money.

No AMD CPU. Everyone says the same thing.

$80 mobo isn't cheap. Also, how would I be able to play games without a GPU? I'd have like 4 frames per second.

Here, this is my AMD setup. http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Exoquatic/saved/4pwq

If you want to see the Intel setup, just take off the AMD + Mobo, swap the AMD with the Intel i3-whatever and add like $80 because of the damn motherboards and BAM I'm over budget.

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Real quick. I'm going to bed, but I'll check in the morning. Is a quad-core processor okay for Dolphin? The reason why I don't want to go lower than 4 is because of that earlier comment someone made, and this computer is good enough to play Watch Dogs, I'm excited for Watch Dogs, not being able to play that would really make me upset. So, instead of a 6-core or a 2-core, what about a 4-core?

What I was originally getting was the AMD FX-6300, 6 cores, 3rd generation, the other one is the AMD FX-4300, 4 cores, 3rd generation. Are they both similar in performance?

I actually looked it up, LOL, they have identical single core performance. How much "single core" performance does Dolphin need? I could just look for CPUs with that specific amount or higher...

[KHg8m3r]

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3AwDX

No video card attached here, slightly cheaper than your build. The new Intel HD CPUs are actually very pretty good (they're like a GT 640, which I have in an old build.). You'll be able to hit 2-3x IR in Dolphin and medium settings on PC games.

This way, you can save money now, get a good card later on when you get more cash

[Personablue]

the thing is you can go pick the most expensive amd cpu but you will still not be anywhere near the haswell i3 in dolphin/pcsx2
The IPC of Intel is far more superior which is the most imp factor for dolphin

[KHg8m3r]

And even in general computing you would notice a speed boost on anything relying on less than 4 cores (even with highly mulch-threaded tasks like video editing, Intel is the best)

[Exoquatic]

(04-29-2014, 04:09 PM)KHg8m3r Wrote: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3AwDX

No video card attached here, slightly cheaper than your build. The new Intel HD CPUs are actually very pretty good (they're like a GT 640, which I have in an old build.). You'll be able to hit 2-3x IR in Dolphin and medium settings on PC games.

This way, you can save money now, get a good card later on when you get more cash

I'm on a tight budget of $600. This is overbudget.
Also, I'm not buying a computer without a video card, that's just stupid.
This is a GAMING COMPUTER... I just had the thought of playing Gamecube on it.
I'm not building a gamecube emulation station.

EDIT: After taking a better look at this, I don't mean to be rude, but wow, this is stupid.
#1. You've got a 500w PSU for a 100w system... completely unnecessary.
#2. You changed the case to an even more expensive one for no reason. I actually like that old case, plus it comes with two free fans. Good fans.
#3. You got a higher priced mobo, when the cheaper one is almost identical.

[KHg8m3r]

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3AFJm
Had to switch the motherboard to a Z87 board to make it overclockable, dropped down the PSU, and switched over to the case you liked, and yes, the price before the rebates is outside your budget

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3AG15
Dropped down the CPU, kept the Z87 motherboard, and threw in a mid-range Nvidia GPU, just $3 over before rebates


But you want a good PSU anyways for headroom when overclocking.

Are you sure you cant raise the budget a little bit?

[Exoquatic]

(04-30-2014, 01:14 AM)KHg8m3r Wrote: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3AFJm
Had to switch the motherboard to a Z87 board to make it overclockable, dropped down the PSU, and switched over to the case you liked, and yes, the price before the rebates is outside your budget

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3AG15
Dropped down the CPU, kept the Z87 motherboard, and threw in a mid-range Nvidia GPU, just $3 over before rebates


But you want a good PSU anyways for headroom when overclocking.

Are you sure you cant raise the budget a little bit?

I do not wish to overclock EVER, I find that the risk of killing my entire computer isn't worth the extra performance.
Sorry for being snotty, I had a shitty sleep last night.

Anyways, I found this thread https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-cpu-benchmark?pid=263086#pid263086
In this thread, there are benchmarks for Wind Waker, and under all circumstances stated, the AMD A10-5800K preformed above 30fps (native).
Would this processor be okay for gaming? The only problem I have with Intel CPUs is that the motherboards suck a lot of cash out of my pocket compared to the AMD boards. Also, by gaming, I mean, well, the graphics card in this computer can play Crysis 3 at 1080p, ultra settings. Would this processor be okay for that? 4 core so I don't miss out on anything, I mean, I think this might be it.

Unless someone can find a dirt cheap CPU that's equal (if not better) to this CPU... then maybe I can consider it.